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    So how powerful is it to use the word "diffractor(s)" when listing your 1998 Tek? It makes a big difference - you can't rely on buyers to recognize that it is a Diffractor or not.

    The best example I have is to do a search of ended listings for "diffractors." You only get 7 results, but only three of those 7 are actual diffractors. People ponied up $19.50, $15, and $10 for non-diffractors of Bonds, Chipper, and Pudge simply because the listing claimed the cards were Diffractors.

    Another interesting example was when a slew of individual Edgar Martinez listings hit just over a month ago (no longer in ended listings). Mixed in there was one Diffractor not listed as a Diffractor. It was a great scan and it was so obvious that it was a Diffractor that I didn't even bother bidding. I assumed it would go for around $20. I was wrong. I only went for $9 while some base went for even more! Flash forward to an auction ending today of an Edgar Martinez that IS listed as a Diffractor, and it's already up to $16.

    This trickster even puts the Diffractor bv on 1998 Tek base. These two Bonds were ended early - I'm assuming the mistaken seller was paid well:

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/BARRY-BONDS-1998-98-TOPPS-TEK-DIFFRACTOR-SP-PATTERN-35-CARD-3-30-/261076552970?pt=US_Baseball&hash=item3cc9600d0a

    So even collectors that are educated enough to know that they want Diffractors and that they should go for a premium are not educated enough to recognize the difference between Diffractors and base.

    Here's an example of a Tek not listed as a Diffractor, but the scan was good enough for collectors to realize what it was. I do wonder if it would have gone for more if listed as a Diffractor, but the price seems about right:

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/Alex-Rodriguez-1998-Topps-TEK-Acetate-Rare-SP-Insert-Yankees-Mariners-/190703655569?pt=US_Baseball&hash=item2c66d2da91

    Now here's a Jeter that should have gone for more. I guess the main diff between this and the A-Rod is that the scan/photo does not do a good job of picking up the Diffractor effect:

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/1998-TOPPS-TEK-DEREK-JETER-CARD-14-PATTERN-54-/221074759583?pt=US_Baseball&hash=item3379151f9f

    And here's what it looked like once I got it in hand. My pic isn't much better than the seller's. The reason is that two things affect how dazzling a Diffractor is - the lightness of the player photo and the pattern. As you can see from that Jeter, the background on the bottom half of the photo is almost all black. Not good for sparkly. The upper part has some white thanks to some shirts in the crowd. That's almost the only part of this scan that makes it look like a Diffractor Also, the pattern is mostly clear only sparsely populated with the design. Also not good for sparkly - compare that pattern with patterns 37 and 68 as shown in previous posts:

    Pattern 54:



    A base Jeter went for nearly that much - I'm guessing it was a couple set collectors going at it:

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/DEREK-JETER-1998-98-TOPPS-TEK-14-PATTERN-48-YANKEES-/200772717032?pt=US_Baseball&hash=item2ebefc89e8

    Heck, this PSA 10 Jeter base went for less:

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/1998-TOPPS-TEK-14-DEREK-JETER-PSA-10-B1117790-/120931047507?pt=US_Baseball&hash=item1c280d5853

    No offense if it was a board member, but this looks like an awful deal. Only four packs (16 cards) for $18.50. Considering Diffractors are 1:6, this looks like some pretty bad odds. That may be a better price-per-pack deal than those that paid $160 for a box, but at least in a box you're pretty much guaranteed 4 Diffractors.

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/1998-Topps-Tek-4-Unopened-Packs-/180926656263?pt=US_Baseball&hash=item2a2011af07
    1998 Topps Tek Jay Buhner Wantlist - 41 and 57 and condition upgrades for 51, 62, 68, 81
    Complete Tek Want lists HERE

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    Quote Originally Posted by RustyGreerFan View Post
    No offense if it was a board member, but this looks like an awful deal. Only four packs (16 cards) for $18.50. Considering Diffractors are 1:6, this looks like some pretty bad odds. That may be a better price-per-pack deal than those that paid $160 for a box, but at least in a box you're pretty much guaranteed 4 Diffractors.

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/1998-Topps-Tek-4-Unopened-Packs-/180926656263?pt=US_Baseball&hash=item2a2011af07
    I would have bought those 4 packs for that, no question. Even if you don't get a Diffractor, you might pull one or two base cards that a few set/player collectors are desperate for. It's not unreasonable to get $20 for a base card, that could pay for your packs right there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeliciousBacon View Post
    I would have bought those 4 packs for that, no question. Even if you don't get a Diffractor, you might pull one or two base cards that a few set/player collectors are desperate for. It's not unreasonable to get $20 for a base card, that could pay for your packs right there.
    It's really quite rare to be able to get $20 for a base card. The stars kinda have to align. It's gotta be of the right player and it's gotta be a card that two player collectors are going for at the same time. The only two in ended listings are that Jeter I listed and a Ripken that sold for a $19.99 BIN. Not all Jeters will sell for even $10 - it just happened to be that one particular that sold for $24.

    Same with Edgars. When I first realized his base was going for $5 a pop, just about any pattern you threw out there would get the $5-$6. Now, the two or more guys that were fighting over them have fewer holes in their collection. Some go for just 99 cents now.
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    Complete Tek Want lists HERE

    Collecting 1997 Score Reserve Collection - they look like this!



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    I want to break down the checklist by team to try to get an idea of Topps' thinking when they created this checklist. Obviously they wanted to be like the All-Star game and have at least one player from each team. It looks like they also wanted to include some younger guys even over potential HOF veterans. There are probably a couple errors in here because I can't remember who was on what team when, but I did do at least a little double-checking:

    7 - Braves
    6 - Astros
    5 - O's, Rox, Yanks
    4 - Angels, Indians, M's, Marlins, Mets
    3 - Blue Jays, Cards, Cubs, Pads, Red Sox, Twins, White Sox
    2 - A's, D-Backs, Expos, Mets, Phils, Pirates, Reds, Rangers
    1 - Brewers, D-Rays, Giants, Royals, Tigers

    Angels - Edmonds, Erstad, Glaus, Salmon
    A's - Grieve, Hinch
    Astros - Biggio, RJ, DBell, Alou, Bags, Hidalgo
    Blue Jays - Clemens, Delgado, Cruz Jr
    Braves - Glavine, Justice, Chipper, Andruw, Maddux, Javy, Galarraga
    Brewers - Burnitz
    Cardinals - McGwire, BJordan, Lankford
    Cubs - KWood, Sosa, Grace
    D-Rays - McCracken
    D-Backs - MWilliams, TLee
    Dodgers - Karros, Sheff, Beltre, Mondesi
    Expos - Vlad, Fullmer
    Giants - Bonds
    Indians - Sandy, Lofton, Manny, Thome
    M's - A-Rod, Griffey, Edgar, Buhner
    Marlins - Kotsay, Dunwoody, Renteria, DLee
    Mets - Olerud, Piazza
    Orioles - Brady, Palmeiro, Ripken, RAlomar, Mussina
    Padres - Gwynn, Caminiti, KBrown
    Phils - Schilling, Rolen
    Pirates - Aramis, Kendall
    Rangers - Pudge, Juan
    Reds - Larkin, Konerko
    Red Sox - Nomar, PJ, Mo
    Rockies - Dante, LWalker, Vinny, Burks, Helton
    Royals - JKing
    Tigers - TClark
    Twins - TWalker, Molitor, Knoblauch
    White Sox - Frank, Ventura, Belle
    Yanks - Bernie, Jeter, Tino, O'Neill, OHernandez
    1998 Topps Tek Jay Buhner Wantlist - 41 and 57 and condition upgrades for 51, 62, 68, 81
    Complete Tek Want lists HERE

    Collecting 1997 Score Reserve Collection - they look like this!



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    There are 21 players I collect in the 1998 Tek checklist. That's 1890 base and 1890 Diffractors I need to have a complete PC set. Right now, I think I have maybe 35-40 base and 0 Diffractors. Ouch.
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    I am curious as to why Ryno didn't make the set. In a way I'm glad, but in a way it would have been a fun hunt.

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    Now that we have 14 years to reflect on this release, we have the ability to Monday morning quarterback Topps for the decisions they made about what players they included and excluded. I don't really blame Topps. At the time (and really still to this day) there was a lot of pressure from collectors to include the hot prospects. This meant that some pretty popular players had to be excluded.

    Taking into consideration careers and popularity with collectors, just think of how valuable unopened product would be in this scenario...

    Remove the following 12 players:

    AJ Hinch
    Derek Bell
    Richard Hidalgo
    Brad Fullmer (although he seems to have at least one or two collectors)
    Quinton McCracken
    Mark Kotsay
    Todd Dunwoody
    Jeff King
    Tony Clark
    Jeromy Burnitz
    Ellis Burks
    Javy Lopez

    (There are quite a few young guys that would be easy to cut in retrospect, but would have been awfully hard to cut at the time - Erstad, Grieve, Cruz Jr, TWalker, TLee, OHernandez, for example)

    Add in the following 12 players:

    Mariano Rivera
    Rickey Henderson
    Ryne Sandberg
    Jose Canseco
    Hideo Nomo
    Wade Boggs
    David Ortiz
    Will Clark
    Roy Halladay
    Lance Berkman
    John Smoltz
    Fred McGriff

    Some other guys w/ good careers or fan favorites (that played in 1997) left out in the cold - Cliff Lee, CCarpenter, Deion, Hoffman, Garret, SGreen, Gaetti, JCarter, Giambi, Hershiser, Eck, Pettitte, Daulton, and of course, Rusty Greer

    Actually, with how long and strong the Nomo craze lasted, would there be any unopened Tek left?

    But seriously, instead of $160 a box, how much would this product be going for now?!
    1998 Topps Tek Jay Buhner Wantlist - 41 and 57 and condition upgrades for 51, 62, 68, 81
    Complete Tek Want lists HERE

    Collecting 1997 Score Reserve Collection - they look like this!



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    Cliff Lee in 1998 Tek? Can I have some of what you're smoking?
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    I have around 15-20 different patterns of Schilling. I need to get around to selling them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeliciousBacon View Post
    Cliff Lee in 1998 Tek? Can I have some of what you're smoking?
    Oops - must be Carlos Lee!
    1998 Topps Tek Jay Buhner Wantlist - 41 and 57 and condition upgrades for 51, 62, 68, 81
    Complete Tek Want lists HERE

    Collecting 1997 Score Reserve Collection - they look like this!



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    I said earlier today it's funny how things run in bunches...

    After picking up my first Derek Jeter Diffractor (thanks to a poor listing) after having not even seen one go at auction since I've been paying attention, I found two more.

    Pattern 45 - I'll call this pattern Mitsubishi since it's got the Mitsubishi logo repeated over and over.



    I was shocked to see it pop up on Sportsbuy. I rarely check Sportsbuy. I had to pay $38 after a painful $4.45 shipping fee, but I still think it's an okay price for Jeter. Some seller called Grandma's Sports Cards even though I don't think there's a grandma in the picture. They actually have a slogan on their seller page - "You can trust your Grandma!" Somehow that made me feel less comfortable with my purchase

    Pattern 3 - I can't think of a good name for this one.



    I paid a ridiculous $60 for this one, but since it came in a lot of cards I figured I could resell the rest of the lot and make some of my money back.
    1998 Topps Tek Jay Buhner Wantlist - 41 and 57 and condition upgrades for 51, 62, 68, 81
    Complete Tek Want lists HERE

    Collecting 1997 Score Reserve Collection - they look like this!



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    I think this is the first Ripken I've seen since I've been paying attention. And a PSA 10, no less.

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/1998-TOPPS-T...item41697e542b
    1998 Topps Tek Jay Buhner Wantlist - 41 and 57 and condition upgrades for 51, 62, 68, 81
    Complete Tek Want lists HERE

    Collecting 1997 Score Reserve Collection - they look like this!



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    Pattern 55 - Maybe the most "filled in" pattern of them all. Almost all white.

    1998 Topps Tek Jay Buhner Wantlist - 41 and 57 and condition upgrades for 51, 62, 68, 81
    Complete Tek Want lists HERE

    Collecting 1997 Score Reserve Collection - they look like this!



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    I have a smattering of these through some trades. PM me if you need anything.

    PLAYER YEAR DESCRIPTION
    ALOMAR,ROBERTO 1998 Topps Tek #67 Pattern 04
    ALOU,MOISES 1998 Topps Tek #55 Pattern 89
    ANDERSON,BRADY 1998 Topps Tek #16 Pattern 47
    BELL,DEREK 1998 Topps Tek #42 Pattern 86
    BELLE,ALBERT 1998 Topps Tek #47 Pattern 17
    BELTRE,ADRIAN 1998 Topps Tek #49 Pattern 13
    BICHETTE,DANTE 1998 Topps Tek #08 Pattern 88
    BIGGIO,CRAIG 1998 Topps Tek #12 Pattern 23
    BROWN,KEVIN 1998 Topps Tek #71 Pattern 06
    BROWN,KEVIN 1998 Topps Tek #71 Pattern 31
    BUHNER,JAY 1998 Topps Tek #81 Pattern 17
    BURKS,ELLIS 1998 Topps Tek #53 Pattern 59
    BURNITZ,JEROMY 1998 Topps Tek #48 Pattern 21
    CAMINITI,KEN 1998 Topps Tek #68 Pattern 65
    CASTILLA,VINNY 1998 Topps Tek #38 Pattern 05
    CLARK,TONY 1998 Topps Tek #58 Pattern 75
    CRUZ JR,JOSE 1998 Topps Tek #62 Pattern 74
    DELGADO,CARLOS 1998 Topps Tek #43 Pattern 38
    DUNWOODY,TODD 1998 Topps Tek #36 Pattern 57
    EDMONDS,JIM 1998 Topps Tek #20 Pattern 49
    ERSTAD,DARIN 1998 Topps Tek #35 Pattern 86
    FULLMER,BRAD 1998 Topps Tek #77 Pattern 17
    FULLMER,BRAD 1998 Topps Tek #77 Pattern 57
    GLAUS,TROY 1998 Topps Tek #61 Pattern 69
    GLAVINE,TOM 1998 Topps Tek #10 Pattern 55
    GRIEVE,BEN 1998 Topps Tek #01 Pattern 13
    GUERRERO,VLADIMIR 1998 Topps Tek #17 Pattern 73
    HELTON,TODD 1998 Topps Tek #69 Pattern 15
    HERNANDEZ,ORLANDO 1998 Topps Tek #73 Pattern 17
    JONES,ANDRUW 1998 Topps Tek #26 Pattern 40
    JORDAN,BRIAN 1998 Topps Tek #75 Pattern 31
    KENDALL,JASON 1998 Topps Tek #52 Pattern 89
    KING,JEFF 1998 Topps Tek #79 Pattern 60
    KNOBLAUCH,CHUCK 1998 Topps Tek #70 Pattern 77
    KONERKO,PAUL 1998 Topps Tek #63 Pattern 55
    KOTSAY,MARK 1998 Topps Tek #22 Pattern 86
    LANKFORD,RAY 1998 Topps Tek #90 Pattern 57
    LANKFORD,RAY 1998 Topps Tek #90 Pattern 76
    LEE,DEREK 1998 Topps Tek #76 Pattern 05
    LOFTON,KENNY 1998 Topps Tek #45 Pattern 82
    LOPEZ,JAVY 1998 Topps Tek #65 Pattern 56
    MARTINEZ,PEDRO 1998 Topps Tek #41 Pattern 65
    MCCRACKEN,QUINTON 1998 Topps Tek #82 Pattern 15
    MOLITOR,PAUL 1998 Topps Tek #54 Pattern 31
    MUSSINA,MIKE 1998 Topps Tek #80 Pattern 59
    OLERUD,JOHN 1998 Topps Tek #04 Pattern 89
    O'NEILL,PAUL 1998 Topps Tek #37 Pattern 02
    O'NEILL,PAUL 1998 Topps Tek #37 Pattern 16
    O'NEILL,PAUL 1998 Topps Tek #37 Pattern 46
    O'NEILL,PAUL 1998 Topps Tek #37 Pattern 53
    O'NEILL,PAUL 1998 Topps Tek #37 Pattern 68
    PALMEIRO,RAFAEL 1998 Topps Tek #40 Pattern 65
    PIAZZA,MIKE 1998 Topps Tek #86 Pattern 38
    RENTERIA,EDGAR 1998 Topps Tek #46 Pattern 27
    ROLEN,SCOTT 1998 Topps Tek #88 Pattern 60
    SHEFFIELD,GARY 1998 Topps Tek #29 Pattern 15
    SOSA,SAMMY 1998 Topps Tek #28 Pattern 43
    VAUGHN,MO 1998 Topps Tek #87 Pattern 73
    WALKER,TODD 1998 Topps Tek #24 Pattern 06
    WILLIAMS,BERNIE 1998 Topps Tek #07 Pattern 40
    WILLIAMS,MATT 1998 Topps Tek #44 Pattern 09
    WOOD,KERRY 1998 Topps Tek #02 Pattern 70
    Thanks to MOFNY for finally getting me motivated to start a website:

    www.supercollectorcatalog.com

    Here is a link to the cameo section:

    http://www.supercollectorcatalog.com/cameo-index.html

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    This is not a "feeler." I just sent the following email to FCB:

    Name/Board Username - Eric A. Johnson/RustyGreerFan

    Age: (must be 18 and over) - 38 tomorrow

    Product to be broken - 1998 Topps Tek

    Type of break (ex. pack/box/case) - one box break

    How you plan on running the break. - I have broken the set into lots - see bottom of email. I am taking Lot 4.

    Slot pricing? - $20 dlvd via PayPal only

    When you want to start the break? - a week or less. Might fill up fast.

    Where you are purchasing the product? - I have already purchased this sealed box on ebay and have it in hand.

    Other - may I allow a small window for participants to "trade players" before the box break?

    Lot 1
    Astros - Biggio, Randy Johnson, DBell, Alou, Bagwell, Hidalgo
    Braves - Glavine, Justice, Chipper, Andruw, Maddux, Javy Lopez, Galarraga

    Lot 2
    Cardinals - McGwire, BJordan, Lankford
    Cubs - KWood, Sosa, Grace
    Brewers - Burnitz
    D-Rays – McCracken
    Blue Jays - Clemens, Delgado, Cruz Jr
    A's - Grieve, Hinch

    Lot 3
    Giants – Bonds
    Indians - Sandy, Lofton, Manny, Thome
    Reds - Larkin, Konerko
    D-Backs - MWilliams, Travis Lee
    Dodgers - Karros, Sheff, Beltre, Mondesi

    Lot 4
    M's - A-Rod, Griffey, Edgar, Buhner
    Rangers - Pudge, Juan Gone
    Marlins - Kotsay, Dunwoody, Renteria, DLee
    Expos - Vlad, Fullmer

    Lot 5
    Orioles - Brady, Palmeiro, Ripken, RAlomar, Mussina
    Padres - Gwynn, Caminiti, KBrown
    Phils - Schilling, Rolen
    Pirates - Aramis, Kendall
    Royals - JKing

    Lot 6
    Yanks - Bernie, Jeter, Tino, O'Neill, OHernandez
    Red Sox - Nomar, Pedro Martinez, Mo
    Rockies - Dante, LWalker, Vinny, Burks, Helton

    Lot 7

    White Sox - Frank, Ventura, Belle
    Mets - Olerud, Piazza
    Angels - Edmonds, Erstad, Glaus, Salmon
    Twins - TWalker, Molitor, Knoblauch
    Tigers - TClark
    1998 Topps Tek Jay Buhner Wantlist - 41 and 57 and condition upgrades for 51, 62, 68, 81
    Complete Tek Want lists HERE

    Collecting 1997 Score Reserve Collection - they look like this!



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