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    Incorrect. Rookie cards are the first year a player appears in a major league set, the same way it's always been.
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    Quote Originally Posted by smapdi View Post
    Incorrect. Rookie cards are the first year a player appears in a major league set, the same way it's always been.
    Exactly. It's been that way ever since I grew up collecting. Even back in the '90s rookie cards were printed years before they were called up. I could not care less if a player has a rookie card years before he is called up. I don't get why some people are so hung up on that.

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    Then when you have players called up and they have cards the same year, or even later the same year if you want to be a stickler about debut dates, they STILL aren't considered rookie cards until the next year when they get the logo on them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by smapdi View Post
    Incorrect. Rookie cards are the first year a player appears in a major league set, the same way it's always been.
    In your example, Rhys Hoskins 2014 Bowman Draft card is not a major league set. Its a subset to the 2014 Bowman Prospects set. The major league set in 2014 would be 2014 Bowman - as the players are on the 40-man rosters and fully-licensed by both MLB and MLBPA.

    Quick way to figure it out - if the jersey on the player is airbrushed, it shouldn't be considered a rookie card.
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    Would you consider this a Rookie Card? Even though it says Rookie Card on it?

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    Victor Hall never played an inning in the MLB. He spent all 10 years of career in the minors. How can one have a Rookie Card without ever actually being a MLB Rookie?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bradical View Post
    Would you consider this a Rookie Card? Even though it says Rookie Card on it?

    2001 Bowman Chrome Victor Hall?


    Victor Hall never played an inning in the MLB. He spent all 10 years of career in the minors. How can one have a Rookie Card without ever actually being a MLB Rookie?
    Until 2006, the year of the Rookie rules (implemented by MLBPA's Judy Heeter, who admittedly knew absolutely nothing about baseball cards), the words "rookie card" referred to the card itself, not the player's career. Therefore, being the first card of Diaz, this was considered his rookie card.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaypers View Post
    Until 2006, the year of the Rookie rules (implemented by MLBPA's Judy Heeter, who admittedly knew absolutely nothing about baseball cards), the words "rookie card" referred to the card itself, not the player's career. Therefore, being the first card of Diaz, this was considered his rookie card.
    I remember the big debate over the Alex Gordon "RC" that was removed from the set late in production because it didn't meet the newly implemented rookie card requirements. The ones that did slip through into packs went for big money back then. It was at the top of Beckett's hot list for a long time and it was even on the news.

    I was not a fan of the new guidelines at the time because because all the new non-prospect sets being released for the next couple years were full of "rookie cards" of players who had already been in other products for at least a few years, therefor there were no new exciting rookie cards of players who had not already been in other sets coming out in the licensed products. That is why I pretty much stuck with Bowman products for the next few years. It took me awhile to get adjusted to the new rules but after a 2 or 3 year hiatus from cards I decided I really didn't care. These days I pretty much stick to only collecting/investing 1st year Bowman autos anyway (the only exception are major league players who I PC. I'll buy pretty much anything that is autographed by Goldschmidt or Freeman with the exception of IP autos & non-licensed products). Whether someone else wants to refer to them as prospect cards or rookie cards I really don't care.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaypers View Post
    Until 2006, the year of the Rookie rules (implemented by MLBPA's Judy Heeter, who admittedly knew absolutely nothing about baseball cards), the words "rookie card" referred to the card itself, not the player's career. Therefore, being the first card of Diaz, this was considered his rookie card.
    Understood, but would you consider it a Rookie Card now considering how the paradigm has shifted?

    The same can be said for the 1985 Topps Mark McGwire USA. Lots of debate over XRC versus RC. Most people today now consider his 1987 Topps his Rookie Card and his 1985 Topps a "prospect" or extended rookie card.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bradical View Post
    Understood, but would you consider it a Rookie Card now considering how the paradigm has shifted?

    The same can be said for the 1985 Topps Mark McGwire USA. Lots of debate over XRC versus RC. Most people today now consider his 1987 Topps his Rookie Card and his 1985 Topps a "prospect" or extended rookie card.
    I opposed these rules 11 years ago, and nothing's changed since.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bradical View Post
    The same can be said for the 1985 Topps Mark McGwire USA. Lots of debate over XRC versus RC. Most people today now consider his 1987 Topps his Rookie Card and his 1985 Topps a "prospect" or extended rookie card.
    FWIW, I consider 1987 the McGwire rookie card because it's his first topps MLB uniform appearance. While I like and collect Team USA, I don't consider any USA baseball card of a player as their rookie card.

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    Depends if Hall had MLB licensed cards printed years before. If he did, then I probably would not consider it a rookie. It makes no difference to me whether he ever played in the majors or not. If he had MLB licensed cards made, then it is a rookie card. I have no idea why some are so hung up on that.

    I guess some don't consider the 1989 UD Griffey a rookie because the picture of him was edited so he was in a Mariners uniform.

    I don't care if Hoskins had "inserts/subsets" in 2014. If they were released in a MLB licensed set, then that is a rookie card in my eyes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SINFULONE View Post
    Depends if Hall had MLB licensed cards printed years before. If he did, then I probably would not consider it a rookie. It makes no difference to me whether he ever played in the majors or not. If he had MLB licensed cards made, then it is a rookie card. I have no idea why some are so hung up on that.

    I guess some don't consider the 1989 UD Griffey a rookie because the picture of him was edited so he was in a Mariners uniform.

    I don't care if Hoskins had "inserts/subsets" in 2014. If they were released in a MLB licensed set, then that is a rookie card in my eyes.
    Except Griffey was a rookie in 1989.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bradical View Post
    Except Griffey was a rookie in 1989.
    It makes no difference to me whether they debuted in the majors or not.
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    The older I get the more I prefer Topps (Chrome) branded rookie cards. Until they get good enough at photoshop to take out all the double ear flapped helmets in Bowman at least.


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