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    Quote Originally Posted by phillyfan0417 View Post
    I don't believe that's what its saying...unless I'm misunderstanding you.

    If I have a card on ebay and I post it on FB and it sells on FB, how would ebay determine I sold the card if no communication happens on their system?
    They can't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by death2redemptions View Post
    They can't.
    Although they do have access to the full paypal logs, assuming that is how payment is sent. Just saying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chippercards.com View Post
    Although they do have access to the full paypal logs, assuming that is how payment is sent. Just saying.
    I think that would be a bridge too far. I would imagine it would only be valid if the communications started there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rsmath View Post
    In an earlier post in this thread, you wrote:




    You said you sell cards. You list them on ebay and complete them on FB.



    Of course you do. That's why you list cards on ebay. Ebay gives your cards visible and drums up interest for bids if you'd ever let your cards run on ebay.



    of course you do. You list on ebay, cancel your ebay listing when you sell it on FB.



    if you sell on FB, don't list the card on ebay to generate interest in completing the trade on FB. It's apparently sellers like you that caused ebay to change their TOS so they aren't promoting off-ebay sales without getting anything from it between the free ebay listing you get and the lack of FVF since it's sold off platform.
    Ebay gives specific instructions on how to end listings early, what fees will be associated (IF ANY) with ending early![/QUOTE]

    and that's what they are tightening up on starting November 1st due to abuse of their website. You can cancel it now but they get the legal right
    in November to determine whether or not they collect a FVF from you for canceling your listing because they think you are completing a sale offsite.

    I'd also disagree with your statement about ending an auction early with zero bids because there are probably snipers standing by at the end of the auction to give your item bids so you don't know for sure there are zero bids on your item.[/QUOTE]

    SMH!
    Go back and look and specifically QUOTE where I specifically state I sell cards on eBay! Shouldn't be that hard to do (yeah it will be, I never stated I'm sell cards)!
    Click on my eBay link in my profile and show me ONE card listed, JUST ONE! Shouldn't be that hard to do (wait, yeah it will be, I haven't sold a card on eBay or anywhere else in over two years)!

    Again, there is absolutely nothing in their TOS that states if I want to post for sale XYZ item on eBay, that I cannot sell it anywhere else, whether on FB, CL, my garage sale, donate it to GoodWill, etc they cannot stop me. The absolute second they charge me any sort of FVF for an item that I end for any reason what so ever, I will close my store. The money generated from sales is all fun money to me, not a business, not a life changer. I know the comment will come up eBay doesn't care about the little guy selling anyways and you're absolutely right, they don't. They care about the huge revenue generators, like Burbank, COMC, etc.

    BTW speaking of COMC and being as you are extremely critical of dual listings (especially cards), whats your take on cards that are cross platformed on COMC and eBay?
    Lets say I did still dabbled in cards and I found one I liked on eBay and saw COMC was the seller and I went to COMC and bought it directly from the COMC site, what should happen to the listing on eBay, should COMC be charged a FVF there? Or does COMC get a "break" because they generate large revenue for eBay? One would think that this will make COMC and their 1M+ listings disappear from eBay as of Nov 1st.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chippercards.com View Post
    Although they do have access to the full paypal logs, assuming that is how payment is sent. Just saying.
    This is true but are they legally allowed to look through your paypal account?

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    This is the Michael Corleone move...

    Quote Originally Posted by chippercards.com View Post
    1. Get a new paypal account. One completely non-connected to your ebay email address/paypal account. Do not commingle funds. Use this for any direct business. Avoid putting excessive text into the transaction logs just in case.
    2. Minimize the use of ebay messages. It is clear they will be used against you.
    3. Do not use a debit card or checking account on file for payment of ebay bills. Use a credit card so as to be protected by a stronger payment dispute policy.
    4. Keep very little funds in any of your paypal accounts.
    a. Less money for ebay/paypal to steal
    b. Don’t let them make money on the float and indirectly support their paypal usury practices of "buy now, pay later!"
    5. Do not ask sellers to transact off ebay, at least not directly via ebay msg. It is immoral to knowingly cause force to be initiated upon another, even if you are not the one initiating force. Instead, engage in a very small transaction with them. Pay via paypal, and get their email address in your receipt of payment. Then contact them directly via email and continue discussion there. Until ebay gets every email provider on board to read your emails (or if they recruit the NSA, lol!) they will be toothless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RStadlerASU22 View Post
    If someone wants to get around this, AND that's if. I would say the best route would be to sell the card elsewhere, say were talking a $100 card, and don't end the listing, but jack the price up to $1000, where it wouldn't sell... Yes/No?
    As long as the auction runs to its close with no bids, you could do that.

    But it brings me to another ebay gripe - all those cards with unrealistic BINs or starting bid amounts that never get any bids and are relisted over and over with those same unrealistic BIN/starting bids. If Ebay would get rid of the free listings and charge $2/listing to get those who are serious to sell and not just use ebay as a museum showcase for their cards....

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    Quote Originally Posted by death2redemptions View Post
    This is true but are they legally allowed to look through your paypal account?
    I would imagine ebay could do that as an investigation as Paypal is a sibling of ebay so employees likely have access to data from both companies for customer service/violation of TOS investigations.

    To answer Phillyfan's question to me about charging a FVF even if ebay messaging is not used, ebay could assume an auction ended early was because of an offsite sale and charge the FVF (ebay being judge, jury and executioner for the charging a FVF clause - they don't need to be held to court trial standards, IMHO).

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    But you're literally using their site to target their customers. Selling items off of eBay is just as ****ty as them banging you for fees on an off site sale


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