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Thread: The Official FAKE AF Thread

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    Decided to look at sold listings and found a bunch more:

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    2008 Upper Deck. Sold by card_crazy

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    Ball. Global cert. Sold by devildogtreasurehunters

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    2014 A&G. Joke. Sold by the_card_man49

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    Photo/plaque. Sold by totaltreasures.online

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    2005 Turkey Red. Sold by vac57

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    2011 Topps. Sold by repeat scumbag trevus.u6wqwppel

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    Photo. Sold by angelalu88

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    Ball. This garbage actually got good money for this. I'll assume the Jeter is also fake. Sold by gendittbrende_0

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    2004 Cracker Jack. Sold by skytrooper1504

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    Ball. Sold by sigpi286_2

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    Ball. Sold by us-guarr

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    2014 Classic. Sold by human turd benjamindoring116

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    Ball. Another global cert. Sold by shufixer

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    Ball. This a-hole put a JSA cert with their still fake auto. Sold by disneycolector

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    Ball. Love how ridiculously shaky this is. Sold by mingguanj-0

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    2001 Fleer Platinum. Sold by heisman*collector

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    Photo. ACE cert, which was actually banned by ebay. Sold by 90feetaway

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    Hat. SIG auctions cert. These scumbags are pumping these out. See below. Sold by robandlesliestreasures8

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    Hat. Another SIG auctions cert. Sold by pa2para

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    Hat. Sold by triplegreen

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrmopar View Post
    I can't or won't speak specifically to the seller's reputation, as I really don't know the person, but I have bought a number of cheaper more common autos from this seller. Nothing stood out as looking funny. Perhaps he got a bad one in a lot along the way? On the opposite side of this type of seller situation, I was a fairly frequent buyer of cheap autos from another reseller who claimed to buy for their collection and sell dupes. This person posted a Mariners prospect auto for $2 and misidentified the player who had signed. Turned out the signature was that of elusive criminal Byron McLaughlin! I was pretty happy with that score.
    I understand what you're saying, people do make mistakes. However, if he sells autos he should know better on a player like Mariano. That is an obvious fake.

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    I like this thread, lets keep this one rolling!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Enfuego79 View Post
    I like this thread, lets keep this one rolling!
    I plan for this one to be around for a while. Plenty of fakes out there lol


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    Quote Originally Posted by cgilmo View Post
    I plan for this one to be around for a while. Plenty of fakes out there lol


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    Every single card cardmax1 sells:

    https://www.ebay.com/sch/cardmax1/m....p2047675.l2562

    All fake plates. The giveaway on many of them is how many of his "plates" have parts that were only done as foil stamping. Plus, plates from the 80's? No, not so much.

    Also, I couldn't find it, but there was a blatant fake patch on COMC for quite a while. I thought it was a Rolen/Pujols, but I don't remember enough details to find it anywhere.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeliciousBacon View Post
    Every single card cardmax1 sells:

    https://www.ebay.com/sch/cardmax1/m....p2047675.l2562

    All fake plates. The giveaway on many of them is how many of his "plates" have parts that were only done as foil stamping. Plus, plates from the 80's? No, not so much.

    Also, I couldn't find it, but there was a blatant fake patch on COMC for quite a while. I thought it was a Rolen/Pujols, but I don't remember enough details to find it anywhere.
    How do you think he is producing the plates?


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    Quote Originally Posted by cgilmo View Post
    How do you think he is producing the plates?


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    Doesn't someone here work in a print shop? I'm sure with the right equipment, and willingness to be a scumbag, making fake plates is easy and lucrative. I'm sure he'd claim he bought them as a collection, or some nonsense about printer's scrap or whatnot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeliciousBacon View Post
    Doesn't someone here work in a print shop? I'm sure with the right equipment, and willingness to be a scumbag, making fake plates is easy and lucrative. I'm sure he'd claim he bought them as a collection, or some nonsense about printer's scrap or whatnot.
    Someone laid out exactly how it could be done fairly cheaply. I'll assume it was on this board because the members here are by far the most knowledgeable and helpful.

    I bought a few fake plates before I knew what I was doing. This thread would have helped.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cgilmo View Post
    So the thread on this ichiro pujols original that isn't original got me thinking.


    https://www.ebay.com/itm/2006-Bowman...gkH&rmvSB=true


    How great would it be to keep an official thread on known fakes out there.


    ITT, post the fakes you see. Can be an image, an ebay link, whatever.
    Great Thread, I looked at all of the autos I have purchased from the sellers listed in this thread and I think one of them is questionable.

    i actually found an old thread on the site that was about the same card. I didn't question it because of the hologram sticker and authentic stamp on the front of the card until now.

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    Yep thats jacked


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    Quote Originally Posted by cgilmo View Post
    Yep thats jacked


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    Yeah took the wind out of my sail, I'll have to slow the buying down and research more before I buy.

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    https://www.ebay.com/itm/2006-Bowman...%257Ciid%253A1


    I would have thought this would be down by now...
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeliciousBacon View Post
    Doesn't someone here work in a print shop? I'm sure with the right equipment, and willingness to be a scumbag, making fake plates is easy and lucrative. I'm sure he'd claim he bought them as a collection, or some nonsense about printer's scrap or whatnot.
    Quote Originally Posted by forgerelli View Post
    Someone laid out exactly how it could be done fairly cheaply. I'll assume it was on this board because the members here are by far the most knowledgeable and helpful.

    I bought a few fake plates before I knew what I was doing. This thread would have helped.

    Scott F
    Not familiar with the releases that these plates are from but from what I gather none were pack issued. Printing companies, post print production, archive plates for a certain amount of time. That way if it needs to go back to press, you can just use the same set of plates. Before what is known as direct to plate imaging, which these plates are from the time period before then, a plate maker would physically take film and expose the images onto the plates which was comparatively time consuming and costly process. These likely are real plates, that after archived for a period of time were tossed as scrap. If a person had access to the film, sure they could make sets of plates but printing companies inventory their plates and even the damaged or unused are accounted for. I also thought about the possibility that someone made digital files of these cards and did direct imaging plates but I looked closer at the listings. These plates are indeed produced from that time frame because you can see the image is from film and not a digital file. With film, each color in the 4-color process was stripped at a certain angle so that the dots did not lay on top of each other or create a visible distortion pattern.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aumike1976 View Post
    Great Thread, I looked at all of the autos I have purchased from the sellers listed in this thread and I think one of them is questionable.

    i actually found an old thread on the site that was about the same card. I didn't question it because of the hologram sticker and authentic stamp on the front of the card until now.

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    This one really confuses me, as he is not listed as an auto in 2004 Topps Cracker Jack, but does anyone know for sure if he was a subject? The authentic 'stamp' on the front is not embossed but actually printed. So while the auto does look off, it does seem consistent with the other 2004 Topps CJ auto releases.
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