nosterbor
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I just don't get how Andruw Jones is that low. He is an all-time top 10 center fielder, and the greatest defensively by a pretty large margin.
He is not Ozzie Smith
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I just don't get how Andruw Jones is that low. He is an all-time top 10 center fielder, and the greatest defensively by a pretty large margin.
Greatest? Ken Griffey. Etc etc. HOF ANDREW Jones. If
We put Andrew Jones in the HOF then it needs to close. That’s not even an argument in this conversation.
He is not Ozzie Smith
I got some real issues with the HOF voters. Some of these writers are so damn arrogant like they're the highest of baseball genius and us fans are simpletons who could never understand such a complex game. Then there was some DB from Cleveland who only voted for Omar and Thome since they were the only two who played there. And lastly, some voters act as if their vote grants a player immortality, it's a building, for fans, they have to get over themselves....done
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There are currently over *one hundred* players in the HOF with a career WAR lower than ANDRUW Jones 62.9 (including Jackie Robinson, Sandy Koufax, Harmon Killebrew) and since 50+ WAR is considered the HOF eligible mark, him making the HOF would be far from a reason to shut the HOF doors. Much as in the case with Ozzie Smith, his defense alone is enough to put him in the conversation.
I'm assuming he meant greatest defensive center fielder, not greatest among all positions and he would be accurate if that was what he intended to say, as Andurw Jones is the all-time defensive WAR leader among outfielders. He ranks 20th among all positions. Ozzie Smith is of course, first.
Mine too!
He fell off the ballot after only four years. He never got more than 13% of the vote.Is Palmeiro not on the ballot anymore?
Do y'all expect a bump in prices for chipper, vlad and Thome once all the ballots are counted?
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"Edgar Martinez should have been elected years ago. David Ortiz will probably be 1st Ballot and he isn't half the player Edgar was."
What baseball have you been watching?
I do a little for a bit. Especially chipper.
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I hope wizard of oz doesn’t mean Ozzie Smith. Omar Vizquel is one of if not the best overall non power hitting shortstop to ever play the game. And if Ozzie Smith is in he is automatic. The Hoffman statement makes no sense especially with no player on his team as you said stated. He is most definitely I hall of famer and if he is not in your opinion then he is not because of specialized position. Which means Edgar is NO WAY a hall of famer. You do know before Marino Hoffman was the leader in saves and although he really is borderline the point of the argument was about Edgar. You can’t have your cake and eat it to. Edgar yes Hoffman no. Ozzie yes Omar no.
You may need to do some more research.
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The war and 20-50 years ago means nothing. Andrew jones is NOT A HALL OF FAMER. I’d give you 100-1 odds on that I was that strong on Mattingly and was right. Mattingly was was second favorite player growing up and dominated baseball for 5 years but his back blew out and people that that was enough, clearly it wasn’t.
If Andrew Jones is a hall of famer
So is mark lemke. I mean come on.
Good luck.
I feel like Chipper would get the least of the three mentioned. I think his induction was a forgone conclusion comparatively. He is more identifiable to a large fan base but he’s also the least likable of the three so that evens that out in my mind. Always interesting to watch and find out either way
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I try not to use people who are already in the hall influence my thoughts on who should go in. I look at someone like Vizquel as an electric defender, best of his generation to my eye, but I wouldn't vote for him, his bat might as well have gone to a pitcher most of the time.
Jones for me is a harder decision, amazing defender, much better than Vizquel with the stick though. To me he is not, I understand the argument. He doesn't have to be Willie Mays to make it, but for me he is just not an all time great.
everyone's going to disagree with another's choice. let's not result to insulting eachother.
I don't believe Omar or andruw are HOF. but we all know lesser players are already in.
I think you and others underestimate the hitter Vizquel was. He was a .272 lifetime hitter, not .240 like people assume.I look at someone like Vizquel as an electric defender, best of his generation to my eye, but I wouldn't vote for him, his bat might as well have gone to a pitcher most of the time.
Listen my opinion is my opinion as others there’s no insults here. The insults are people like you butting in and putting your voice in we’re it don’t belong. Then you make a weak effort about the subject. Everyone’s going to disagree with other’s choice. (Really, that’s a bright statement), mind your business. Have an opinion or stay out of my business and choices as well
As others.
It’s a forum with excitement without being live with the person. It’s fun.
Again mind your business. What are you a mediator.
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Listen my opinion is my opinion as others there’s no insults here. The insults are people like you butting in and putting your voice in we’re it don’t belong. Then you make a weak effort about the subject. Everyone’s going to disagree with other’s choice. (Really, that’s a bright statement), mind your business. Have an opinion or stay out of my business and choices as well
As others.
It’s a forum with excitement without being live with the person. It’s fun.
Again mind your business. What are you a mediator.
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