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http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2018/04/24/pete-rose-reportedly-involved-in-high-stakes-gambling-owes-money-to-casinos-irs.html
Guess some things never change.
Guess some things never change.
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Exactly. There's no evidence that he threw games or didn't play to the best of his abilities. Over 4000 hits...that'll never be topped! He should be in the Hall before Bonds, McGwire, A-Rod and the rest of the juicers.if he had got caught using drugs FIVE times nothing would be said
Exactly. There's no evidence that he threw games or didn't play to the best of his abilities. Over 4000 hits...that'll never be topped! He should be in the Hall before Bonds, McGwire, A-Rod and the rest of the juicers.
Shoeless Joe should be in, as well. Anyone can see that his performance during the Series wasn't one of somebody trying to lose.No way. He voluntarily agreed to a lifetime ban. No one forced his hand. If you're going to put Rose in, you better put "Shoeless" Joe Jackson in as well.
Shoeless Joe should be in, as well. Anyone can see that his performance during the Series wasn't one of somebody trying to lose.
There's a distinct separation between "baseball" (being MLB) and the National Baseball Hall of Fame. A forced or voluntary ban from "baseball" should not correlate to a ban from the HOF. Rose agreed that he'd never be able to play, coach, manage, or be employed by any team under the MLB brand. The HOF, as a separate entity, is not governed by MLB - it's privately owned/managed. Its intent is to recognize accomplishments of players who played the game...their career numbers and other noteworthy accomplishments. Rose accomplished something at the major league level that no one ever has, and he did it without "cheating" or breaking the rules governing the play of the game. His accomplishments mean more to me than those of someone who cheated to obtain them.
To sum it up, the HOF is about numbers that were achieved legitimately, and whether he bet on the games or not, Rose's hits record was achieved without cheating (as far as anyone knows).
Agreed from top to bottom.Pete Rose admitted to gambling on games he managed. Gambling in sports is THE cardinal sin. It's worse than anything, including PED's. By far.
Even if (and that's a big if) he only bet on his team to win, that still undermines the entire basis of sports, which is to compete to win. If Rose had Mariano Rivera on his team and had a bet on Monday's game he could use Mo for 2 innings to make sure he wins. Then Mo is unavailable for Tuesday and Wednesday. That is affecting the outcome of multiple games. There are also many rumors that Rose was betting on games in the 70's.
Say whatever you want about PED users (including those that used amphetamines like Mantle), but they used PED's to improve their game. To win.
Gambling is the absolute worst thing you can do in sports. Read the history of gambling and it's affect on the games, it can utterly destroy a sport. If you don't understand that what Rose (and Joe Jackson) did is unforgivable in the world of sports then that's on you.
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Shoeless Joe should be in, as well. Anyone can see that his performance during the Series wasn't one of somebody trying to lose.