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    Quote Originally Posted by stressreelief View Post
    Guys and Nelson , I grade for a couple different reasons . The #1 reason is it is kind of an insurance policy . If something was to happen to me , I can't expect my wife and kids to know what to do with my collection . With the card graded , all you have to do is take a picture and use the caption from the grading label as your EBAY title and you guys will do all the rest . Reason #2 is when I first started to sell on EBAY ( raw cards ) , I would get people complaining about the condition and wanting a discount or a full refund after they received the card . I've also refunded and the guy on the other end sends me back the same card in a lesser condition ( switched out ) . Since I started only selling graded cards , I have had only one card ever returned and that was because the postal machine smashed the plastic holder . You can never get an argument about the grade , they can take that up with PSA or Beckett if they don't like it . For these two reasons alone , it is worth the 7 bucks a card ! Thanks , John
    #2 is good point. It seems like this card just sold already within the past year, so if the intention all along was to resell that's a good way of looking at it - covering your butt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bstanwood View Post
    High prices for stuff like this would/will not be surprising in the least. What is surprising is how high how fast prices went. I have no way of knowing if shill bidding is happening, nor could i ever prove it, it just seems fishy that two user IDs popped on most of the auctions, including some duplicate listings for drastically different amounts.
    Shilling isn't something I would usually even think of but there are enough flags popping up for me to really think it over. At the end of the day most of these would go for a decent chunk of change anyway. In a few days as auctions come closer to the end it will be interesting to see how many more people jump in.
    Good points. And like others referenced, I agree that two 15k+ feedback bidders leading almost across the board in the first few days is blatantly suspicious.

    Question to consider now: Given what I believe about the bidding activity, am I willing to compete for the listings I'm interested in?

    Like you said, the final sale prices were already going to be strong but may be higher given the *spitballs* we saw Monday/Tuesday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stressreelief View Post
    Guys and Nelson , I grade for a couple different reasons . The #1 reason is it is kind of an insurance policy . If something was to happen to me , I can't expect my wife and kids to know what to do with my collection . With the card graded , all you have to do is take a picture and use the caption from the grading label as your EBAY title and you guys will do all the rest . Reason #2 is when I first started to sell on EBAY ( raw cards ) , I would get people complaining about the condition and wanting a discount or a full refund after they received the card . I've also refunded and the guy on the other end sends me back the same card in a lesser condition ( switched out ) . Since I started only selling graded cards , I have had only one card ever returned and that was because the postal machine smashed the plastic holder . You can never get an argument about the grade , they can take that up with PSA or Beckett if they don't like it . For these two reasons alone , it is worth the 7 bucks a card ! Thanks , John
    #2 is a good point that I have never considered and is good to know for reference.

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    I'm 99.99% sure the Maddux wasn't originally purchased to be resold.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spcollector View Post
    I know it's a long shot but does anyone have either of the last two '97 Griffey SP Vintage Buyback Autos for sale:
    1997 SP Vintage Autographs #8 Ken Griffey Jr. '93 (#/16)
    1997 SP Vintage Autographs #9 Ken Griffey Jr. '93PP (#/5)
    to go with these below. Please let me know or if you may have a lead on another collector who may. Thanks!

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    Cards you are interested in and the follow up

    Quote Originally Posted by tidel144 View Post
    Good points. And like others referenced, I agree that two 15k+ feedback bidders leading almost across the board in the first few days is blatantly suspicious.

    Question to consider now: Given what I believe about the bidding activity, am I willing to compete for the listings I'm interested in?

    Like you said, the final sale prices were already going to be strong but may be higher given the *spitballs* we saw Monday/Tuesday.
    Alot of you are knowledgeable enough to know if the guys that are schilling ultimately win the card , that will card turn up in another auction or turn up in an Ebay listing that one of those two clowns operates . If you really have to own the card , go for it . If you want a pay a certain price , just be patient and the card will surface again , probably even within a month . one last point about grading guys is the multiplier you get with certain players . The set registry has created an opportunity to generate a lot of money that you can parlay back into your collections . In the last PWCC auction a 1996 Jeter Pacific Crown Collection base card in a PSA 10 got 476 dollars . That's a 50 cent card at a show , it is almost borderline insanity . There have been 6 1996 Bowman foil Jeter cards that have graded 10 . I am responsible for four of them . I kept one in my collection and the other three have brought back almost 4000 dollars in cash and trade . How do you NOT do this ( grade your cards ) is a better question ! I really didn't think this would catch on when it first started . I felt grading should stay with coins and had no place in our hobby . I missed that boat . I could have had Jeter 1993 PSA 10s back in the day for 3 to 5 grand and now they're 50 grand . SHOULD HAVE , COULD HAVE , BUT DIDN'T . THE WORDS OF A LOSER ! Most decisions in life are nothing more than a math equation and seeing what graded cards get over raw cards is simple math . Have a great night guys . John

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    Quote Originally Posted by stressreelief View Post
    Alot of you are knowledgeable enough to know if the guys that are schilling ultimately win the card , that will card turn up in another auction or turn up in an Ebay listing that one of those two clowns operates . If you really have to own the card , go for it . If you want a pay a certain price , just be patient and the card will surface again , probably even within a month . one last point about grading guys is the multiplier you get with certain players . The set registry has created an opportunity to generate a lot of money that you can parlay back into your collections . In the last PWCC auction a 1996 Jeter Pacific Crown Collection base card in a PSA 10 got 476 dollars . That's a 50 cent card at a show , it is almost borderline insanity . There have been 6 1996 Bowman foil Jeter cards that have graded 10 . I am responsible for four of them . I kept one in my collection and the other three have brought back almost 4000 dollars in cash and trade . How do you NOT do this ( grade your cards ) is a better question ! I really didn't think this would catch on when it first started . I felt grading should stay with coins and had no place in our hobby . I missed that boat . I could have had Jeter 1993 PSA 10s back in the day for 3 to 5 grand and now they're 50 grand . SHOULD HAVE , COULD HAVE , BUT DIDN'T . THE WORDS OF A LOSER ! Most decisions in life are nothing more than a math equation and seeing what graded cards get over raw cards is simple math . Have a great night guys . John
    John a 1996 Mirror Gold Jeter PSA 10 sold for $1500.00 once now it will go for a ton more to I missed my opportunity on the Mirror Gold and I am ok with it. That card is a rich persons card or a lucky persons card now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stressreelief View Post
    Alot of you are knowledgeable enough to know if the guys that are schilling ultimately win the card , that will card turn up in another auction or turn up in an Ebay listing that one of those two clowns operates . If you really have to own the card , go for it . If you want a pay a certain price , just be patient and the card will surface again , probably even within a month . one last point about grading guys is the multiplier you get with certain players . The set registry has created an opportunity to generate a lot of money that you can parlay back into your collections . In the last PWCC auction a 1996 Jeter Pacific Crown Collection base card in a PSA 10 got 476 dollars . That's a 50 cent card at a show , it is almost borderline insanity . There have been 6 1996 Bowman foil Jeter cards that have graded 10 . I am responsible for four of them . I kept one in my collection and the other three have brought back almost 4000 dollars in cash and trade . How do you NOT do this ( grade your cards ) is a better question ! I really didn't think this would catch on when it first started . I felt grading should stay with coins and had no place in our hobby . I missed that boat . I could have had Jeter 1993 PSA 10s back in the day for 3 to 5 grand and now they're 50 grand . SHOULD HAVE , COULD HAVE , BUT DIDN'T . THE WORDS OF A LOSER ! Most decisions in life are nothing more than a math equation and seeing what graded cards get over raw cards is simple math . Have a great night guys . John
    John the problem is you are quoting Jeter who has a strong registry presence. Nobody else has the same presence as he does. 90% of Griffey stuff from the 90s commands no premium in a PSA 10 or BGS 9.5. Always outliers but even recently a 97 Platinum Stars /30 griffey PSA 10 for the same price my raw sold for. Many of his pop 1 dufex inserts for instance would sell around $150-$200 regardless of rarity of it raw.

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    Question about 1999 Finest Refractors. I noticed the back of my GEMS subset card has no refractor finish. I noticed the back of my Sterling subset card does have a refractor finish. I do not have a Gamers subset card. I looked at the back of refractors on COMC, but I cannot tell from their scans if the backs are refractor finish. Just making sure that Sterling subset refractors are supposed to have a refractor finish on the back, and curious which ones do and which ones do not (base, GEMS, Sterling, Gamers, Rookies). Thank you.
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    On a quick eBay search it looks like the gamers do.
    https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?m...2F282686524919
    I couldn't find a great example of the gems with the refractor finish, however this Scott rolen claims to be MINTY! I'm not sure if this is a scratch and sniff or just a general smell or grading slang
    https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?m...2F263349863013

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    Joey , You are right !

    Quote Originally Posted by Joey_peapod View Post
    John the problem is you are quoting Jeter who has a strong registry presence. Nobody else has the same presence as he does. 90% of Griffey stuff from the 90s commands no premium in a PSA 10 or BGS 9.5. Always outliers but even recently a 97 Platinum Stars /30 griffey PSA 10 for the same price my raw sold for. Many of his pop 1 dufex inserts for instance would sell around $150-$200 regardless of rarity of it raw.
    Joey , You are right about Jeter being the dominant guy at this moment in time . It can be surprising though when just a couple collectors get involved . Collectors will pay up for Griffey and i am a little surprised there isn't a larger premium for rare cards that PSA 10 or Beckett 9.5 . I have found that Ripken and Chipper collectors don't generally push the card prices to the moon , but on the other side you have guys like Will Clark and Omar Vizquel where i have seen prices for certain cards even surpass Jeter . Maybe 10 years from now you will get the same scenario with some of these guys . A lot of the children that these guys have had an influence on through camps and baseball leagues are now becoming doctors , lawyers etc. and may create that same fervor for the registry that you have seen with other players and even set builders for that matter . Time will tell , but I am always going to be an advocate for grading the more expensive or rare items in your collection . I do think it is crazy to grade the recent base common as supply and demand is easily controlled . Besides a showcase full of PSA 10 Jeters , Ripkens and Griffeys looks awesome at the National ! Later , John

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    ...And the bids of one of the two 15k+ feedback bidders have been canceled across the board (the other had some bids canceled as well). Look at some of these prices now.

    Looks like some other bidders have retracted their bids as a result of these bidders' bids being canceled.

    Can we chalk this up to PWCC listening to the shilling complaints?

    Welcome back to the game, everyone
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    still pretty stong bids
    theres still 1 15K bidder
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    Oh wow, Ripken down to $26. The purple set as well.

    Bags, Chipper, JuanGone, and Maddux also down huge.


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    Quote Originally Posted by tidel144 View Post
    ...And the bids of one of the two 15k+ feedback bidders have been canceled across the board (the other had some bids canceled as well). Look at some of these prices now.

    Looks like some other bidders have retracted their bids as a result of these bidders' bids being canceled.

    Can we chalk this up to PWCC listening to the shilling complaints?

    Welcome back to the game, everyone
    this nonsense is exactly why im done with this hobby

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