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    Yes. Now if a few more rarities could pop up!

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    Just wanted to say that even though I haven't been as active posting here I still check in and check out new pickups and such. I figured I'd throw this in here as well because my collection got off the ground thanks to many people here. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1EyP...ew?usp=sharing

    Many thanks for any leads on any of these!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matthew J Burrows View Post
    Just wanted to say that even though I haven't been as active posting here I still check in and check out new pickups and such. I figured I'd throw this in here as well because my collection got off the ground thanks to many people here. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1EyP...ew?usp=sharing

    Many thanks for any leads on any of these!
    Wondered if you were still around, I thought of you when I saw an Arod platinum gold listed recently.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Gjb70 View Post
    Wondered if you were still around, I thought of you when I saw an Arod platinum gold listed recently.


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    Sure am, just having to stay specific with my pickups. Thanks for looking out though GJB!

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    Any opinions in this the newest iteration of the game: 1998 Bowman Chrome Gold Anniversary Refractors real vs fake?

    https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?m...2F372351100292


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    Oh Super Sweet 90's Inserts.... #3

    Quote Originally Posted by chippercards.com View Post
    Any opinions in this the newest iteration of the game: 1998 Bowman Chrome Gold Anniversary Refractors real vs fake?

    https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?m...2F372351100292


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    Not sure, but the number on the left looks slightly smaller than the right, which I thought was a good sign? I took a pic of mine, got it from a reputable source so Iím guessing itís good. Maybe someone has a 5/5 to compare?
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    Edit: Checked completed auctions and saw a Tatis end a while back from the same seller for only $47. I could be mistaken, but I thought I heard some suspect things about the seller? The reason I remember is that I have bought from them before without problems, but this news seemed concerning.


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    Last edited by Gjb70; 07-08-2018 at 10:05 PM.

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    Crooked numbers and a "big" 5 are not cause for alarm. Biggest sign should be depth of embossing. All this is why I stopped collecting this set. Sad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chippercards.com View Post
    Any opinions in this the newest iteration of the game: 1998 Bowman Chrome Gold Anniversary Refractors real vs fake?

    https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?m...2F372351100292
    I strongly believe the Cruz Jr. and Tatis that just sold feature counterfeit stamping for multiple reasons:

    The font on the Cruz Jr. (bottom) and Tatis (middle) is completely different from stamping used by Topps (see authentic Boone, top of picture) - authentic versions feature a slightly thicker font (see the "/" and the "5"). Further, the "5" is narrow in authentic stamps - the loop is condensed almost like a straight-edge is compressing it inwards; the counterfeit stamp has a rounder loop. Lastly, the downward vertical line at the top of the "5" on authentic versions are close to 90 degrees; counterfeit stamps feature this line an angle closer to 80 degrees.
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    Also, some red flags pop up from the specific numbering of the Cruz Jr. and Tatis:

    The Cruz Jr and Tatis were both numbered 5/5, sold by the same consignor. Back in August, there was a Griffey that was also 5/5, listed by same consignor, that was called out as counterfeit by myself and some other collectors. Here's side-by-side pictures of the counterfeit-stamped Griffey with an authentic Chipper Jones and Hines Ward, for cross-sport evidence. Notice the stamping font on the Griffey is almost identical to the Cruz Jr. and Tatis:
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    The Griffey was taken down by the consignor after sharing what we found. We also established direct contact with the owner of the Griffey and he claimed he didn't know they were fake and apologized. However, nearly a year later we see the Cruz Jr. and the Tatis with the same 5/5 numbering and the same counterfeit font so my guess is the owner consigned again, thinking whoever saw the Griffey a year ago would forget. I also don't think it is coincidence that these 3 counterfeits are all stamped 5/5 - maybe the counterfeiter realized that the number "5" would be easiest to fake.

    Lastly - I do not blame the consignor in this case - my buddies know the consignor really well and is an honest guy but deals with hundreds of cards and chalk this up to slipping through the cracks due to sheer volume. While it's too late for the Cruz Jr. and the Tatis, hopefully this network can keep an eye out for these counterfeits in the future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gjb70 View Post
    Not sure, but the number on the left looks slightly smaller than the right, which I thought was a good sign? I took a pic of mine, got it from a reputable source so Iím guessing itís good. Maybe someone has a 5/5 to compare?
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    Edit: Checked completed auctions and saw a Tatis end a while back from the same seller for only $47. I could be mistaken, but I thought I heard some suspect things about the seller? The reason I remember is that I have bought from them before without problems, but this news seemed concerning.
    Your copy looks good to me - the "/5" stamp font is correct and the "3" matches with an authentic version (the difference in thickness is due to your picture being zoomed in and the authentic comparison being a picture from a farther vantage point):
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    Quote Originally Posted by tidel144 View Post
    Your copy looks good to me - the "/5" stamp font is correct and the "3" matches with an authentic version (the difference in thickness is due to your picture being zoomed in and the authentic comparison being a picture from a farther vantage point):
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    Awesome thank you! Now I remember the Griffey, and I think the fact they are all 5/5 probably says everything you need to know about them.


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    Quote Originally Posted by bigunitcards View Post
    I have no doubt it's Nomo people. Card is hard to find, it's the only Collector's Choice Gold from 94-96 I don't have (have 13 out the 14). Still, that price is just amazing [$77], especially for how worn the corners are.

    '96 Collector's Choice Golds were 1 per box, but with 760 base cards over two series of a low end product, makes you wonder how many survivors are out there. [07-15-2017]
    A year later & finally found another one that wasn't $80.

    My 5,300th Randy Johnson card:
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    Randy Johnson Collector!! 5,300 Unique Cards & Counting.
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    Congrats! Nice pickup.

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    OK. Big props to Tidel144. That was a beautiful forensic de-construction of a fraud. I do this sort of thing for work using data, so I recognize talent when I see it. Respectful nod to you, sir. You are a professional!

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    Thanks! Always glad to share info like this with everyone

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    Latest sub, went 21-27. The Canseco and Gonzalez are the serial numbers that never where edition.














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