Mike Jacobs: 1st North American athlete to test positive...

cmnkb8 said:

It helped him in '08. HGH doesn't make you hit for a better avg, only power.

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Hallsgator said:

HGH doesn't help performance. It does help them look better though. Maybe Jacobs just wanted to look younger.

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jumbojohnny said:

I was under the impression that HGH helps all around. More power, better hand eye coordination, faster relex times, quicker healing. To me that all should be a help to any person, especially athletes. The tatlent doesnt get a boost, but some key factors improve in a range from moderate --> drastic depending on the body.

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RL24 said:

That explains why Mary J Blige takes it. I didn't think it was to add power to her swing...

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RL24 said:

jumbojohnny said:

I was under the impression that HGH helps all around. More power, better hand eye coordination, faster relex times, quicker healing. To me that all should be a help to any person, especially athletes. The tatlent doesnt get a boost, but some key factors improve in a range from moderate --> drastic depending on the body.

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That explains why Mary J Blige takes it. I didn't think it was to add power to her swing...

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HPC said:

Hallsgator said:

HGH doesn't help performance. It does help them look better though. Maybe Jacobs just wanted to look younger.

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Are you joking?

HGH does help performance in many ways.

Does it help him swing a bat better? No. But overall performance? Absolutely

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The ability of growth hormone to enhance performance has not been documented.

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According to Engber['s article], Human Growth Hormone (HGH or GH) has little to no performance enhancing-benefits. … I have the benefit of working down the hall from several exercise physiologists. I forwarded [his] article to my colleague, John McLester. … “Oh yeah, I agree with [Engber]. This isn’t even controversial in exercise physiology. … There is no evidence of [benefit from bigger muscles]. It seems that the muscle that is developed is abnormal and not mature. I’ll point you to some studies (see below). …

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That doesn't mean very much for athletes: A chiseled physique won't help you hit a baseball or throw a punch. So far, no one has been able to connect the increase in lean body tissue caused by HGH with enhancement of athletic performance. Unlike steroids, growth hormone hasn't been shown to increase weight-lifting ability; in the lab, it has a greater effect on muscle definition than muscle strength. And it doesn't seem to help much with cardiovascular fitness, either.

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jumbojohnny said:

RL24 said:

jumbojohnny said:

I was under the impression that HGH helps all around. More power, better hand eye coordination, faster relex times, quicker healing. To me that all should be a help to any person, especially athletes. The tatlent doesnt get a boost, but some key factors improve in a range from moderate --> drastic depending on the body.

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That explains why Mary J Blige takes it. I didn't think it was to add power to her swing...

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I was refering to athletes, as the topic is originally about an athlete. I worked for a guy a number of years ago that received a pair of new lungs and during his recovery doctors gave him HGH to coax his body into accepting the new organs. He is still alive and kicking. He plays on his company softball team, so obviously it helped him with his healing. He still sucks though, so it didnt help him with his batting skills, or throwing for that matter- he still plays "ball like a GIRL!!!"

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nyyankeesfan.13722 said:

jumbojohnny said:

RL24 said:

jumbojohnny said:

I was under the impression that HGH helps all around. More power, better hand eye coordination, faster relex times, quicker healing. To me that all should be a help to any person, especially athletes. The tatlent doesnt get a boost, but some key factors improve in a range from moderate --> drastic depending on the body.

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That explains why Mary J Blige takes it. I didn't think it was to add power to her swing...

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I was refering to athletes, as the topic is originally about an athlete. I worked for a guy a number of years ago that received a pair of new lungs and during his recovery doctors gave him HGH to coax his body into accepting the new organs. He is still alive and kicking. He plays on his company softball team, so obviously it helped him with his healing. He still sucks though, so it didnt help him with his batting skills, or throwing for that matter- he still plays "ball like a GIRL!!!"

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I'm sure there are plenty of leukemia patients who have been prescribed steroids and yet are still awful at baseball. Therefore steroids don't help at all and should be legal. Also drug addicts take amphetamines and they suck at baseball so it can't help. If I gave a cat a baseball he would scratch on it but he would be pretty bad at baseball so doctoring baseballs doesn't help either. Steroids, amphetamines, and doctoring baseballs should all be allowed in baseball by your argument.

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jumbojohnny said:

nyyankeesfan.13722 said:

jumbojohnny said:

RL24 said:

jumbojohnny said:

I was under the impression that HGH helps all around. More power, better hand eye coordination, faster relex times, quicker healing. To me that all should be a help to any person, especially athletes. The tatlent doesnt get a boost, but some key factors improve in a range from moderate --> drastic depending on the body.

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That explains why Mary J Blige takes it. I didn't think it was to add power to her swing...

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I was refering to athletes, as the topic is originally about an athlete. I worked for a guy a number of years ago that received a pair of new lungs and during his recovery doctors gave him HGH to coax his body into accepting the new organs. He is still alive and kicking. He plays on his company softball team, so obviously it helped him with his healing. He still sucks though, so it didnt help him with his batting skills, or throwing for that matter- he still plays "ball like a GIRL!!!"

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I'm sure there are plenty of leukemia patients who have been prescribed steroids and yet are still awful at baseball. Therefore steroids don't help at all and should be legal. Also drug addicts take amphetamines and they suck at baseball so it can't help. If I gave a cat a baseball he would scratch on it but he would be pretty bad at baseball so doctoring baseballs doesn't help either. Steroids, amphetamines, and doctoring baseballs should all be allowed in baseball by your argument.

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Where and how do I make a stand in favor for any cheating to be allowed in baseball? You should re-read my posts and see that I simply expressed my opinion about how HGH can enhance the human body.

1- You should look up the difference between HGH and steriods - They arent the same thing. Also there are numerous types of steriods that all have different uses. I have had to take steroids for an infection from an allergic reaction...They werent anabolics.

2-Who the hell is talking about doctored baseballs or amphetamines?

3- How is giving a cat a baseball "Doctoring" the ball?

4- Make more sense when attempting to post your insignificantly relavent statements. You sound like a tool.

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nyyankeesfan.13722 said:

jumbojohnny said:

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jumbojohnny said:

RL24 said:

jumbojohnny said:

I was under the impression that HGH helps all around. More power, better hand eye coordination, faster relex times, quicker healing. To me that all should be a help to any person, especially athletes. The tatlent doesnt get a boost, but some key factors improve in a range from moderate --> drastic depending on the body.

Click to expand...

That explains why Mary J Blige takes it. I didn't think it was to add power to her swing...

Click to expand...

I was refering to athletes, as the topic is originally about an athlete. I worked for a guy a number of years ago that received a pair of new lungs and during his recovery doctors gave him HGH to coax his body into accepting the new organs. He is still alive and kicking. He plays on his company softball team, so obviously it helped him with his healing. He still sucks though, so it didnt help him with his batting skills, or throwing for that matter- he still plays "ball like a GIRL!!!"

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I'm sure there are plenty of leukemia patients who have been prescribed steroids and yet are still awful at baseball. Therefore steroids don't help at all and should be legal. Also drug addicts take amphetamines and they suck at baseball so it can't help. If I gave a cat a baseball he would scratch on it but he would be pretty bad at baseball so doctoring baseballs doesn't help either. Steroids, amphetamines, and doctoring baseballs should all be allowed in baseball by your argument.

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Where and how do I make a stand in favor for any cheating to be allowed in baseball? You should re-read my posts and see that I simply expressed my opinion about how HGH can enhance the human body.

1- You should look up the difference between HGH and steriods - They arent the same thing. Also there are numerous types of steriods that all have different uses. I have had to take steroids for an infection from an allergic reaction...They werent anabolics.

2-Who the hell is talking about doctored baseballs or amphetamines?

3- How is giving a cat a baseball "Doctoring" the ball?

4- Make more sense when attempting to post your insignificantly relavent statements. You sound like a tool.

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jumbojohnny said:

nyyankeesfan.13722 said:

jumbojohnny said:

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jumbojohnny said:

RL24 said:

[quote="jumbojohnny"70rq7nt]I was under the impression that HGH helps all around. More power, better hand eye coordination, faster relex times, quicker healing. To me that all should be a help to any person, especially athletes. The tatlent doesnt get a boost, but some key factors improve in a range from moderate --> drastic depending on the body.

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That explains why Mary J Blige takes it. I didn't think it was to add power to her swing...

Click to expand...

I was refering to athletes, as the topic is originally about an athlete. I worked for a guy a number of years ago that received a pair of new lungs and during his recovery doctors gave him HGH to coax his body into accepting the new organs. He is still alive and kicking. He plays on his company softball team, so obviously it helped him with his healing. He still sucks though, so it didnt help him with his batting skills, or throwing for that matter- he still plays "ball like a GIRL!!!"

Click to expand...

I'm sure there are plenty of leukemia patients who have been prescribed steroids and yet are still awful at baseball. Therefore steroids don't help at all and should be legal. Also drug addicts take amphetamines and they suck at baseball so it can't help. If I gave a cat a baseball he would scratch on it but he would be pretty bad at baseball so doctoring baseballs doesn't help either. Steroids, amphetamines, and doctoring baseballs should all be allowed in baseball by your argument.

Click to expand...

Where and how do I make a stand in favor for any cheating to be allowed in baseball? You should re-read my posts and see that I simply expressed my opinion about how HGH can enhance the human body.

1- You should look up the difference between HGH and steriods - They arent the same thing. Also there are numerous types of steriods that all have different uses. I have had to take steroids for an infection from an allergic reaction...They werent anabolics.

2-Who the hell is talking about doctored baseballs or amphetamines?

3- How is giving a cat a baseball "Doctoring" the ball?

4- Make more sense when attempting to post your insignificantly relavent statements. You sound like a tool.

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HPC said:

HGH is used for regrowth and repair.

Without adding steroids to the cocktail, HGH alone could easily increase stamina and, if used right, help repair the body of injuries faster than normal methods.

It will not help a person swing a bat better or hit for better average but it will give certain advantages over people not using it.

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