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    The Official 1991 Upper Deck Hologram Variations Thread

    Last night, unable to fall asleep at a normal time, I decided to pour over all 80 pages of 1991 Upper Deck baseball on COMC in search of hologram variations (mainly looking at stars, rcs and semistars), some players had over 300 copies for sale (Edgar Martinez??) on the site, so flipping over each page became quite a task.

    Some very unscientific data I've compiled from this experiment:

    Found just 16 hologram variations out of 80 pages of stuff (950 total items), ignoring most "commons" but checking out players like Sabo, Greenwell and Gant.

    2 of the 16 were different Chipper RCs, which I purchased immediately!

    2 of the 16 were two different Deion Sanders cards, which I purchased not-so-immediately.

    1 of the 16 was Randy Johnson: purchased.

    1 of the 16 was the Bagwell/Rookie Threats card: purchased.

    1 of the 16 was Curt Schilling: purchased.

    This info comes as little surprise to me, really, as I've have bought several 3200 and 5000 count boxes that haven't yielded any of the hologram variations! Similar with wax boxes, I've only found 1 low series and 1 high series box that contained a sequence of hologram variations. Factory sets have been a good source, usually you'll find an 100ct brick in sequence (400-499 for example) with an odd hologram type.

    Here is the initial blog entry from a couple years ago detailing the differences:

    http://junkwaxgems.wordpress.com/200...ions-and-more/

    Here is the follow-up blog, noting a 5th hologram type:

    http://junkwaxgems.wordpress.com/2010/0 ... types-now/

    Since there are so many player collectors on this board who have guys in this set, I thought it would interesting to compile a running list of confirmed subjects and which hologram types affect them.

    If you have any of these variations, I encourage you to post what you own, a scan is useful but not necessary. And please post any solid info you have such as where they were pulled (high or low wax, factory, etc). I will continue to update the list below as new info is posted.

    Here is a running list of hologram types confirmed:

    11 Bernie Williams '90
    55 Chipper Jones '90
    55 Chipper Jones 'NHL
    65 Mike Mussina '90
    83 Cecil Fielder/Fielder's Feat '90
    97 Phillies TC 'NHL
    125 Carlos Baerga 'NHL
    134 Mark Grace '90
    135 Chris Sabo '90
    154 Barry Bonds '90
    154 Barry Bonds 'NHL
    165 Mike Greenwell 'NHL
    174 Mark McGwire '90
    174 mark McGwire '92
    174 Mark McGwire 'NHL
    178 Robby Thompson 'NHL
    246 Frank Thomas '90
    324 Paul Molitor 'NHL
    336 Jack Morris 'NHL
    344 Robin Yount '90
    345 Nolan Ryan '90
    345 Nolan Ryan 'COMIC
    347 Cal Ripken Jr. 'NHL
    359 Oil Can Boyd '90
    359 Oil Can Boyd 'NHL
    372 Robert Kelly 'NHL
    375 Kevin Maas 'NHL
    376 Randy Johnson 'NHL
    435 Bret Saberhagen '92
    454 Andre Dawson '90
    455 Ruben Sierra '92
    473 Rick Sutcliffe '92
    480 Tom Glavine '92
    482 Rex Hudler '92
    528 Curt Schilling '90
    549 Dwight Evans '90
    553 Tino martinez '90
    585 John Cerutti 'NHL
    610 Jamie Moyer '90
    617 1917 Revistied '90
    634 Kirk Gibson '90
    635 Rob Dibble '90
    636 Rickey Henderson/Lou Brock '90
    643 Carlton Fisk '90
    646 Juan Gonzalez '90
    647 Ken Hill '90
    655 Roger Clemens '90
    656 McGwire/Bashing '90
    677 Ventura/Fisk/Ground Breaking '90
    702 Bagwell/Rookie Threats '90
    721 Willie McGee '90
    721 Willie McGee '92
    725 Ryne Sandberg/Andre Dawon '90
    733 Dave Parker '92
    736 Jack Morris '90
    736 Jack Morris '92
    737 Kirk Gibson '92
    742 George Bell '92
    743 Deion Sanders '92
    744 Bo Jackson '92
    755 Jeff Bagwell '90
    758 Gary Carter '92
    763 Roberto Alomar '92
    764 Albert Belle '90
    764 Albert Belle '92
    765 Joe Carter '92
    773 Tim Raines '92
    778 Dave Righetti '92
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    Re: The Official 1991 Upper Deck Hologram Variations Thread

    Do you have any scans of the different types of holograms so I can get an idea on what to look for ??


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    Re: The Official 1991 Upper Deck Hologram Variations Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Djarum
    Do you have any scans of the different types of holograms so I can get an idea on what to look for ??


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    Yes, in the link(s) provided in the original post.
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    Re: The Official 1991 Upper Deck Hologram Variations Thread

    whew! So Brett doesnt have any variants in this set?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages
    whew! So Brett doesnt have any variants in this set?
    It's a running list, not a complete list. It's very likely that every player (at least in low series) can be found in at least three and as many as five different hologram types on back. I'd say I'm about 90% sure that Brett has a few of these hologram variations.
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    Re: The Official 1991 Upper Deck Hologram Variations Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by jacksoncoupage
    Quote Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages
    whew! So Brett doesnt have any variants in this set?
    It's a running list, not a complete list. It's very likely that every player (at least in low series) can be found in at least three and as many as five different hologram types on back. I'd say I'm about 90% sure that Brett has a few of these hologram variations.

    DAMN YOU MISTER!!!!

    lol j/k

    i appreciate your hard work and will have to track down those Brett's.
    its too bad that PSA wont note it on the flip
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    Re: The Official 1991 Upper Deck Hologram Variations Thread

    marker

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    Quote Originally Posted by tramers
    marker
    What does that mean?
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    Re: The Official 1991 Upper Deck Hologram Variations Thread

    so i can find later . i have lots of UD

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    Quote Originally Posted by tramers
    so i can find later . i have lots of UD
    Ahh, my board lingo needs sharpening.

    Please post what you find and let me know if you come across a Robin Ventura.
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    Re: The Official 1991 Upper Deck Hologram Variations Thread

    This is terrifying. I read about these on your blog, but I never considered bothering with these variations. On the other hand, I do have a 1991 UD Hi # box on my bookcase, cracked but not sorted...guess I could start looking through and fry my last few remaining brain cells?
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    here are the ryan #345 variations that I have. I assume that none of these are the comic ball ones, so if you pick up another I would love to have it. I would also love to get hockey and 92 UD holograms if your run across them.

    Out of the cards I have, here is the scarcity report out of the 218 of these cards that I own.

    the 90 hologram is the toughest (I have 2)
    baseball hologram is the 2nd (I have about 20)
    I didnt pay close enough attention to the 91's to order them.

    I have not turned the word upperdeck word upside down every other one do to lazyness. but you get the idea.

    [attachment=0:24arynd3]udhOLOS.gif[/attachment:24arynd3]

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    Quote Originally Posted by bouwob
    here are the ryan #345 variations that I have. I assume that none of these are the comic ball ones, so if you pick up another I would love to have it. I would also love to get hockey and 92 UD holograms if your run across them.

    Out of the cards I have, here is the scarcity report out of the 218 of these cards that I own.

    the 90 hologram is the toughest (I have 2)
    baseball hologram is the 2nd (I have about 20)
    I didnt pay close enough attention to the 91's to order them.

    I have not turned the word upperdeck word upside down every other one do to lazyness. but you get the idea.

    [attachment=0:2ucbodji]udhOLOS.gif[/attachment:2ucbodji]
    EDIT: I don't think either are the 90-91 NHL type. We need Onionring in here with his McGwire example scans.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeliciousBacon
    This is terrifying. I read about these on your blog, but I never considered bothering with these variations. On the other hand, I do have a 1991 UD Hi # box on my bookcase, cracked but not sorted...guess I could start looking through and fry my last few remaining brain cells?
    In person, they really stand out and aren't too difficult to find among the regular '91 types.

    Quote Originally Posted by bouwob
    here are the ryan #345 variations that I have. I assume that none of these are the comic ball ones, so if you pick up another I would love to have it. I would also love to get hockey and 92 UD holograms if your run across them.

    Out of the cards I have, here is the scarcity report out of the 218 of these cards that I own.

    the 90 hologram is the toughest (I have 2)
    baseball hologram is the 2nd (I have about 20)
    I didnt pay close enough attention to the 91's to order them.

    I have not turned the word upperdeck word upside down every other one do to lazyness. but you get the idea.

    [attachment=0:4xstzaar]udhOLOS.gif[/attachment:4xstzaar]
    From the looks of it, you may have the comic ball type - it has "90" and a pattern of what appears to be trophies in the background. I would wager that this is what you have.

    The one you refer to as the baseball hologram is the 1990 UD baseball hologram type (compare to any 1990 UD MLB card).

    There isn't a need to differentiate between the 91 types, slight variations in positioning don't change them all being from the same holographic sheeting.
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    Re: The Official 1991 Upper Deck Hologram Variations Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by jacksoncoupage
    Quote Originally Posted by DeliciousBacon
    This is terrifying. I read about these on your blog, but I never considered bothering with these variations. On the other hand, I do have a 1991 UD Hi # box on my bookcase, cracked but not sorted...guess I could start looking through and fry my last few remaining brain cells?
    In person, they really stand out and aren't too difficult to find among the regular '91 types.

    Quote Originally Posted by bouwob
    here are the ryan #345 variations that I have. I assume that none of these are the comic ball ones, so if you pick up another I would love to have it. I would also love to get hockey and 92 UD holograms if your run across them.

    Out of the cards I have, here is the scarcity report out of the 218 of these cards that I own.

    the 90 hologram is the toughest (I have 2)
    baseball hologram is the 2nd (I have about 20)
    I didnt pay close enough attention to the 91's to order them.

    I have not turned the word upperdeck word upside down every other one do to lazyness. but you get the idea.

    [attachment=0:aso810rz]udhOLOS.gif[/attachment:aso810rz]
    From the looks of it, you may have the comic ball type - it has "90" and a pattern of what appears to be trophies in the background. I would wager that this is what you have.

    The one you refer to as the baseball hologram is the 1990 UD baseball hologram type (compare to any 1990 UD MLB card).

    There isn't a need to differentiate between the 91 types, slight variations in positioning don't change them all being from the same holographic sheeting.

    I would disagree with this. The 91's are completely different looking holo sheets. Which means they were ordered under different orders with likely different designers. I have doubles of all of them and no other variations from the format. You are the expert, but I can almost guarantee you that all 5 of those cards were different press runs.

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