NL CY Young

CubsfanP · Sep 28, 2015

With maybe 1 start left each (if any), I think it's a good time to discuss. I really think it's a 3 horse race, with Kershaw, Arietta, and Greinke. Who do you think deserves it? Who do you think will actually win it?

AnthonyCorona · Sep 28, 2015

Arietta no doubt. It's always how u finish and he's finishing historically good

Super Mario · Sep 28, 2015

Arrieta, no question.

If he pitched in Colorado, it'd be Kershaw though.

IndyManning18 · Sep 28, 2015

Super Mario said:
Arrieta, no question.

If he pitched in Colorado, it'd be Kershaw though.

Arrieta is not a Cardinal, Sam. Maybe Wacha?

TNP777 · Sep 28, 2015

It's either Greinke or Arrieta. I'd say it's Arrieta's to lose now, though. He's been so dominant, has a no-hitter, and is finishing strong. Greinke is certainly deserving, but he's faltered just a bit and then missed his most recent start. He'll have to dominate the Giants tonight to have any kind of a chance.

gt2590 · Sep 28, 2015

Arrieta by a nose...

goobmcnasty · Sep 28, 2015

Dodger fan here. I love Kershaw and Greinke, and think they have had tremendous seasons.

But the Cy Young Award has to go to Arrieta. 20+ game winner, whip at .88, ERA at 1.82. Some could even make the argument he is an MVP contender too, mainly because the Cubs are playoff bound for the first time in years.

joey12508 · Sep 28, 2015

He had a bad start but Clayton Kershaw is a horse, 281 strikeouts, he wont get it but imo he is the best pitcher in baseball.

AnthonyCorona · Sep 28, 2015

joey12508 said:
He had a bad start but Clayton Kershaw is a horse, 281 strikeouts, he wont get it but imo he is the best pitcher in baseball.

Except when he faces the Cards or MadBum

goobmcnasty · Sep 28, 2015

Is Kershaw the best pitcher in baseball? I have to say yes.
Did Arrieta have the best 2015 season? Yes. (Which is why I feel he deserves the 2015 Cy Young Award)

George_Calfas · Sep 28, 2015

Jake deserves the award....plus the Dodgers duo will take votes from one another.

selah150pslm · Sep 28, 2015

goobmcnasty said:
Some could even make the argument he is an MVP contender too, mainly because the Cubs are playoff bound for the first time in years.

Even if Greinke wins the Cy Young, I think there's an argument to make Arrieta the MVP.

tpeichel · Sep 28, 2015

selah150pslm said:
Even if Greinke wins the Cy Young, I think there's an argument to make Arrieta the MVP.

Huh? How can you be the MVP but not the best pitcher?

selah150pslm · Sep 28, 2015

tpeichel said:
Huh? How can you be the MVP but not the best pitcher?

MVP is not always given to the hitter with the best stats. It's the use of the word 'valuable'. There should be absolutely no question that Arrieta is more valuable to the Cubs than Greinke is to the Dodgers, but if asked who has been better this year there is definitely an argument to be made for each.

CubsfanP · Sep 28, 2015

selah150pslm said:
MVP is not always given to the hitter with the best stats. It's the use of the word 'valuable'. There should be absolutely no question that Arrieta is more valuable to the Cubs than Greinke is to the Dodgers, but if asked who has been better this year there is definitely an argument to be made for each.

There is an unwritten implication (right or wrong) that the CY Young is basically the MVP for pitchers. It's why you see so few pitchers win the award. I absolutely agree that Arietta is more valuable to his team than Harper is to the Nats given the current postseason picture. However, it's just hard for a pitcher win the MVP unless they are considerably better than The rest of the field. We don't have that this year, Just how it is.

selah150pslm · Sep 28, 2015

CubsfanP said:
There is an unwritten implication (right or wrong) that the CY Young is basically the MVP for pitchers. It's why you see so few pitchers win the award. I absolutely agree that Arietta is more valuable to his team than Harper is to the Nats given the current postseason picture. However, it's just hard for a pitcher win the MVP unless they are considerably better than The rest of the field. We don't have that this year, Just how it is.

Honestly, I don't think pitchers should win the MVP award, but if them winning the award is possible and supported by others than I think Arrieta should be a consideration this year.

I wish there was a position player of the year award that could equal the Cy Young and that way the MVP could be a different award that would go to one of them or someone else that may be more deserving. In the last thread about this people mentioned the Hank Aaron award which doesn't have the same standing as the Cy Young, but that award isn't voted on by the BBWAA which only gives the MVP, Cy Young, Rookie, and Manager awards. Looking at that list it becomes clear that MVP should be a position award.

u2me57 · Sep 29, 2015

I had Grienke winning the Cy Young until Arrieta threw that materpiece against the Pirates a couple of days ago. Now I'm going with Arrieta. Now all the Cubs have to to do is save Jake for the 1 game playoff against the Pirates.

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