New to BGS: A couple questions I am hoping someone could help me with.

mcgoo2 · Jun 11, 2013

I'm not one to buy a card for the purpose of flipping (in fact, I never have) but last night I found a good deal on a card I've had a mild interest in buying. It's graded a BGS 9 with sub grades of 10 centering, 9.5 surface, 9.5 corners, and 8 edges on the old BGS label. I don't have the card in hand yet so I'm not certain I could get a bump but the possibility seems to be there given the scan and old label. My question is, does BGS still grade the same way where this would be an overall 9 or would this be considered an 8.5 nowadays?

Also, Do you think it'd be worth it to regrade in hopes of getting rid of the ugly 8? Do people care about the difference between subs when the overall grade is the same?

Any opinions are appreciated. Thanks in advance for your help!

Keyser Soze · Jun 11, 2013

To get bumped to a 9.5 you'd have to get a full point bump on edges and that's extremely unlikely

mcgoo2 · Jun 11, 2013

Keyser Soze said:
To get bumped to a 9.5 you'd have to get a full point bump on edges and that's extremely unlikely

Okay. Thanks. And would 10, 9.5, 9.5, 8 be considered an 8.5 now or still a 9?

Bob Loblaw · Jun 11, 2013

mcgoo2 · Jun 11, 2013

Bob Loblaw said:
8.5.

That's what I was afraid of. I thought I read somewhere that the 8 has to be on the surface grade to get an overall 9 so I was surprised to see an 8 edges got an overall 9. I enjoy the gamble and picked it up for relatively cheap so I might still resend it but now I know to temper my expectations a bit. Thanks for the help!

Here's the card in question if anyone is curious:

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jbrown · Jun 11, 2013

I was under the impression that with those sub grades it would still be a 9. Subs of 10,9.5,9.5,8 = 9. Because 3 subs are Gem mint or better, the grade can go up an entire point from the lowest sub. Someone correct me if I'm wrong. I do know for a fact if the subs were 10,10,10,8 then it would definitely be a 9.

rookieaddict · Jun 12, 2013

jbrown said:
I was under the impression that with those sub grades it would still be a 9. Subs of 10,9.5,9.5,8 = 9. Because 3 subs are Gem mint or better, the grade can go up an entire point from the lowest sub. Someone correct me if I'm wrong. I do know for a fact if the subs were 10,10,10,8 then it would definitely be a 9.

I was under the impression that the toal could not be more than .5 over the lowest sub now. Is that not correct?

Leaf · Jun 12, 2013

I'd be more concerned your auto grade would drop to 9.. Sigs on this card don't hold up well..

mcgoo2 · Jun 12, 2013

Leaf said:
I'd be more concerned your auto grade would drop to 9.. Sigs on this card don't hold up well..

This is also a concern. The card was graded 10 years ago so I assume it has faded a bit since then. I think it compares favorably to a lot of the other examples on ebay, though. Here's a close up of the auto:

jbrown · Jun 13, 2013

rookieaddict said:
I was under the impression that the toal could not be more than .5 over the lowest sub now. Is that not correct?

Typically this is correct but if three of the subs are strong enough, the final grade can go up an entire point. This info is actually on BGS website.

mcgoo2 · Jun 13, 2013

jbrown said:
Typically this is correct but if three of the subs are strong enough, the final grade can go up an entire point. This info is actually on BGS website.

The website isn't entirely clear on what subs are "strong enough" and after looking at the pop report, I think it's at the discretion of the grader. There's a 2001 Finest graded later (2006) with a 10, 2 9.5s, and an 8 on the corners that was given an 8.5 overall. There was one graded the same year with 10, 9.5, 9 and an 8 on the surface that ended up with a 9 overall.

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