Is Leaf/Brian Gray going to get Johnny Manziel kicked out of NCAA football

matfanofold said:

I assume most would rather have the ******'ness fleshed out while still a kid in college, rather than carrying it over in to the NFL and adulthood, no?

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Leaf said:

Don't be so sure..

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predatorkj said:

Uh...no they are not. You got a 3.6 in economics classes. No offense as I'm not some genius but that's not anything prestigious. Not that I doubt you're sharp. But I'm sure those classes would have been easier if you had more time to put into them no? And economics? Let me guess? You have some really awesome job paying a million bucks a year right? Sure. Hey, I work full time and go to school for a medical program(that's also not going to make me a million a year). It's no cake walk and my grades are still great but while most people are sound asleep, I force myself to stay up. But in no way or form am I physically challenged like athletes are so I can simply imagine them not coming home and even being able to stay awake to study. Plus work doesn't give me a playbook to study. And some of these "generalizations and ignorant claims" you say I make, are coming from people playing D1 sports. Not sure where you played or how much they cared. Hell, maybe you went to Florida, Bama, or USC and you were just some hardcore person. Great. Not everyone can operate on your level. IMHO, the classes I take are hard but not impossible to pass with an A. Yet people in the same classes have no idea how I manage to work and go to school. So you assume all athletes are super smart, and all the material comes to them naturally? They could just go and take a really hard class because it's easy for them and everyone else.

To me, it seems you are trying to say you are the norm(even though you seem to be the exception, though exception to what I am not sure). And you are using an economics degree(or do you have one) to prove it. I'm not really sure what you are trying to say other than the fact that you can take economics classes and still play sports. To me that means squat. I'm glad you got an education and who knows...you might make a million a year. If so, great. But you are not necessarily the norm nor does that negate the fact that you are still relegated to specific classes that the sports schedule and your time allow. So I suppose I will remain ignorant.

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jbhofmann said:

If Johnny is #1 QB taken in this spring's draft, I'm forced to buy Leaf Best of Football.

If another quarterback goes before him, you owe me a Best of Football box.

Fair?

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matfanofold said:

I assume most would rather have the ******'ness fleshed out while still a kid in college, rather than carrying it over in to the NFL and adulthood, no?

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Leaf said:

I happened to think he won't be the first QB, but a 1st rounder maybe

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All The Hype said:

I think you're kind of missing the point. All I'm saying is I played TWO sports and still had good grades with a non-cakewalk major. I'm not trying to brag because I couldn't care less...I'm just saying that your point that players don't have time for their education because they're too stressed by their sports is not valid. It's a weak excuse that really means "I'm too lazy and/or don't have the discipline to focus" because there are people who have way tougher situations and still manage to take full advantage of the education in addition to working hard to be successful in their sport as well. It sounds like your situation is probably way tougher than some of the athletes as well, yet you still get good grades. It's all about discipline.

Getting back to the topic we were discussing, you are saying that education isn't enough compensation because players can't take advantage of it. My point is that they CAN take advantage of the education, but they CHOOSE not to. That's not the school's fault, that's on the student-athlete for not having the discipline to get all the value they can from the education.

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bmc398 said:

don't trip and fall over in your back pedal here.

If Drew Brees wasn't a first rounder, Jonny D Bag won't be either.

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predatorkj said:

If it is indeed the case that they have the chance...I'll keep my mouth shut. I have zero problem being proven wrong. My goal is the truth. But anyone I've talked to has said it's crazy the time that a college football team demands from you. Plus with the schedules, if you want to take certain classes, it's impossible because you have to be at practice during those times. For instance, I take classes in the morning because I have to. I have no other choice because that is the only time they are offered. I couldn't even play soccer if I wanted to because that's when practice is.

In any case, I think the real topic that irks me is the fact that the NCAA shouldn't have control over whether or not they sign autos for money.

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predatorkj said:

If it is indeed the case that they have the chance...I'll keep my mouth shut. I have zero problem being proven wrong. My goal is the truth. But anyone I've talked to has said it's crazy the time that a college football team demands from you. Plus with the schedules, if you want to take certain classes, it's impossible because you have to be at practice during those times. For instance, I take classes in the morning because I have to. I have no other choice because that is the only time they are offered. I couldn't even play soccer if I wanted to because that's when practice is.

In any case, I think the real topic that irks me is the fact that the NCAA shouldn't have control over whether or not they sign autos for money.

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Bob Loblaw said:

Doucheness = cockiness = confidence.

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matfanofold said:

Sometimes doucheness just = doucheness, not because of cockiness & confidence but rather despite it. However, for arguments sake lets just say Johnny FBs doucheness is a parallel to his cockiness and confidence. I still stand by my contention that most (if not all) would rather that flesh out while in college than in the NFL. Of course it's a common trait for young and talented athletes to be cocky and arrogant, it's almost par for the course given the nature of the circumstances. Having said that, when one reaches adulthood, the arrogant cockiness that plays out as ducheness usually subsides. I do admit it is not looking good for him right now.

On a side note, there is zero chance he is not a high 1'st round draft unless something else comes along this year and hampers that like a career jeopardizing injury or a manslaughter charge, ect.. His talent is undeniable and the NFL has a very long and clear history of drafting on talent alone without regard for personality or baggage as it were. Of course there have been a few but they have been the exception, not the rule.

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MansGame said:

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Anthony K. said:

I've done worse things at an older age.

Put me in his shoes at his age, I'd probably be doing the exact same thing.

He's 20 years old. Let him be arrogant, idiotic and immature.

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MansGame said:

I don't disagree with this. Just liked the picture. I actually somewhat like his "who cares" attitude.


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