I Like Bryce Harper Even More Now

AnthonyCorona said:

Bryce had the worst helmet throw n history then gets clocked n the face. I think whatever he says now just comes back to that

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I'll have to watch it again. I saw Strickland take one to the face.

And the helmet throw almost looked like he thought better of hitting Strickland with it mid throw and let it go. Probably would have added more games to the suspension that's coming.

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In response to the championship being the motivation, kids identify that with a trophy.

As a kid you want that tangible thing that says you won.

It's a black and white debate for me. I don't care about the situation even if the kid is disabled.

Does it make me a jerk? Probably, but I'd rather have a kid who learns that life is full of failures and knows how to handle it when the time comes.

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moxacaine said:

In response to the championship being the motivation, kids identify that with a trophy.

As a kid you want that tangible thing that says you won.

It's a black and white debate for me. I don't care about the situation even if the kid is disabled.

Does it make me a jerk? Probably, but I'd rather have a kid who learns that life is full of failures and knows how to handle it when the time comes.

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Anything to add besides a one word gif?

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I cant see anything wrong about giving these young kids a trophy even if they dont win. If they put the time in went to practice and played all year thats a acomplishment
something to build on.

I feel like participation trophies breeds entitlement and false expectations. We don't get anything for showing up to work everyday, don't ingrain it in people that they should...


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moxacaine said:

In response to the championship being the motivation, kids identify that with a trophy.

As a kid you want that tangible thing that says you won.

It's a black and white debate for me. I don't care about the situation even if the kid is disabled.

Does it make me a jerk? Probably, but I'd rather have a kid who learns that life is full of failures and knows how to handle it when the time comes.

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How is a trophy at some year end celebration with your team teaching them a harmful thing? How is not handing them that trophy teaching them to handle adversary? They don't give out a trophy for every game they lost, they deal with that adversary then, and they go home knowing they failed and they try tonlearn from that and practice to get better. The kids aren't awarded anything for losing, they are getting a small thank you for participating in out team "award" or novelty. Johnny isn't out there after a loss saying "it's ok l, I still get a trophy". I don't see any corilation that this is harming anyone other than adults. If that trophy motivates one person to get up and play again the next year because they like that feeling, that's all good.

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cgilmo said:

Anything to add besides a one word gif?

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From personal experience actually playing baseball at fairly competitive levels, I agree with moxy, in that what I learned from my failures on the mound helped make me a better teammate, sport, and human being in general. But, I also have a brother with Downs, and spent a number of years volunteering with the Oriole Advocates http://www.orioleadvocates.org , a non-profit which facilitates little-leagues for children with disabilities.

The person pre-occupied with participation trophies and denying their distribution to the disabled, posses, in my opinion, little knowledge of any discernible value.

johnryno said:

From personal experience actually playing baseball at fairly competitive levels, I agree with moxy, in that what I learned from my failures on the mound helped make me a better teammate, sport, and human being in general. But, I also have a brother with Downs, and spent a number of years volunteering with the Oriole Advocates http://www.orioleadvocates.org , a non-profit which facilitates little-leagues for children with disabilities.

The person pre-occupied with participation trophies and denying their distribution to the disabled, posses, in my opinion, little knowledge of any discernible value.

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johnryno said:

From personal experience actually playing baseball at fairly competitive levels, I agree with moxy, in that what I learned from my failures on the mound helped make me a better teammate, sport, and human being in general. But, I also have a brother with Downs, and spent a number of years volunteering with the Oriole Advocates http://www.orioleadvocates.org , a non-profit which facilitates little-leagues for children with disabilities.

The person pre-occupied with participation trophies and denying their distribution to the disabled, posses, in my opinion, little knowledge of any discernible value.

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I am curious, as I agree to what you said about learning from failures can make you better in multiple facets on life. Does getting a year end trophy change that for anyone?



Ryan
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RStadlerASU22 said:

I am curious, as I agree to what you said about learning from failures can make you better in multiple facets on life. Does getting a year end trophy change that for anyone?



Ryan
Will Clark / Mike Brown Collector

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The trophy's value is entirely contingent upon the recipient, so I couldn't tell you. For a child capable of somewhat advanced cognition, it could serve as a tangible means to recall a summer's worth of memories and lessons. For the vast majority of kids, I would guess there is a fleeting moment of joy attached to what is an ultimately pointless object.

johnryno said:

The trophy's value is entirely contingent upon the recipient, so I couldn't tell you. For a child capable of somewhat advanced cognition, it could serve as a tangible means to recall a summer's worth of memories and lessons. For the vast majority of kids, I would guess there is a fleeting moment of joy attached to what is an ultimately pointless object.

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Wow! The GIF guy with a great point. I grew up a decent baseball player, hella tournament trophies i threw away when i was like 14

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AnthonyCorona said:

Wow! The GIF guy with a great point. I grew up a decent baseball player, hella tournament trophies i threw away when i was like 14

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https://youtu.be/0agdzM4bsis

AnthonyCorona said:

Wow! The GIF guy with a great point. I grew up a decent baseball player, hella tournament trophies i threw away when i was like 14

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He makes more well spoken, articulate posts like that and maybe he can be known as more than just the gif guy?! Lol


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MrMet said:

He makes more well spoken, articulate posts like that and maybe he can be known as more than just the gif guy?! Lol


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Hes got a long way to go my friend...a long way to go

I think for me it's more what the participation trophy represents for our culture as a whole rather than what it means specifically for little Timmy or Tommy. We have seemingly gone from a culture built on hard work lessons and learning from failure to one who is concerned with making sure everyone feels good about every stupid little thing they do. The trophy itself isn't the problem it's the child who learns nothing and the parent who teaches nothing. Intrinsic motivation should always be more valuable than an extrinsic reward.

bstanwood said:

I think for me it's more what the participation trophy represents for our culture as a whole rather than what it means specifically for little Timmy or Tommy. We have seemingly gone from a culture built on hard work lessons and learning from failure to one who is concerned with making sure everyone feels good about every stupid little thing they do. The trophy itself isn't the problem it's the child who learns nothing and the parent who teaches nothing. Intrinsic motivation should always be more valuable than an extrinsic reward.

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I would agree to most of that point. It's not a Timmy and Tommy issue. Because they got a trophy because they were on a team as an 8 year old isn't going to change the way they are motivated as an adult or how they handle challenges. I don't know how many trophies I received in my life but I enjoyed them as a kid and havn't thought of them since and I am sure you guys received them and it didn't shape your lives. Again, the only people they effect seem to be parents who don't understand the kids aren't using a frieken trophy as a pass in life. As competition gets tougher in travel ball or high school Timmy and Tommy who aren't on those teams have moved on to other things and that trophy that made them smile for a day or so years ago didn't hurt anyone. The other thing you mentioned is 100% true, but has 100% nothing to do with a damn trophy. But there is coaching and learning that goes along with sports , and team sports for sure. Again Timmy and Tommy got out of the house, are working as a team, even if that team or the individual isn't good, but there are life lessons being taught win or lose and if a trophy documents the effort, regardless of how the effort translated into success, who cares. If parents aren't teaching life lessons, caring for the child, and giving advice to shape a child's character, that's a parent/adult problem and that trophy Timmy and Tommy got had no effect on the parent sucking.

Ryan
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AnthonyCorona said:

Wow! The GIF guy with a great point. I grew up a decent baseball player, hella tournament trophies i threw away when i was like 14

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MrMet said:

He makes more well spoken, articulate posts like that and maybe he can be known as more than just the gif guy?! Lol


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AnthonyCorona said:

Hes got a long way to go my friend...a long way to go

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Ryno may love his gifs but he's not some imbecile who lacks the ability to coherently express his views on any given subject. Why he chooses gifs instead of simply articulating his views in writing? Well, there is very little conclusive research to explain the elusive ways of John Ryno but one thing is very evident, such ambitious questions have long tantalized the world's best thinkers.

People are free to post however they see fit as long as its not harassment or scamming.

There's nothing wrong with his posting at all.

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death2redemptions said:

Ryno may love his gifs but he's not some imbecile who lacks the ability to coherently express his views on any given subject. Why he chooses gifs instead of simply articulating his views in writing? Well, there is very little conclusive research to explain the elusive ways of John Ryno but one thing is very evident, such ambitious questions have long tantalized the world's best thinkers.

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I watched a long discussion about in on cspan Friday