MrMet
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I believe he meant Dilfer must be a better qb than Marino, if super bowls won matter, since Dilfer has one and Marino has zip, zero, nada.
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Is anyone doubting the Patriots are the best team in football?
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markakis8
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I understand that. But SBs won DO matter. They are a factor in considering who is the GOAT. But obviously multiple championships are what matters, not just one. But it's also not the ONLY factor or we'd be sitting here claiming Terry Bradshaw is the GOAT.
Anything you want to throw out there in what you think measures up to be a legendary QB - Tom Brady lines up at or near the top.
Wow a guy on the internet telling the world what they already know already. Glad I tuned in today lol!
Tomlinson21RB
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Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying. Look at the defensive numbers for the 07 and 08 Pats. They were a balanced defense. The defense of the colts was built to get a lead because of Manning, and force opponents to pass to catch up. Without the lead, it neutralizes some of the value of Mathis and Freeney. Is Addai still in the league a year later? Was Clark even healthy for most of last year? Say what you want about Cassell, but he's a superstar compared to Painter.
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markakis8
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If you read the entire thread, you would know that I'm pretty much alone in this battle.
On a side note, why have you been such a dick lately? You seem to just jump in threads, quote someone, and then come across as a massive *****.
Tomlinson21RB
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I'm just wondering, we seem to be in agreement that Brady is not #1 all time. Who is and why?
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markakis8
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Are you talking to me? Right now the top 2 QB's of all time for me are Brady and Montana. I can't decide who to put #1. But I believe by the time Brady is retired, he will be alone at the top.
Tomlinson21RB
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Nah, everyone else that is saying Brady isn't even top 5. I'm wondering what the criteria is to be #1.
ThoseBackPages
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i can honestly see Brady playing 5 more years.
Things have changed, players are in better shape, QBs are more protected by the rules, they put up "better numbers" because of these things, and thats fine.
its a weird situation to compare Montana and Brady. Montana was at the top of his game when print media meant something, when people watched the news on TV to get their news. Brady is part of the new world, where print media and tv mean nothing. its all about the internet now, "smart" phones, getting everything we want, immediately.
Things have changed, players are in better shape, QBs are more protected by the rules, they put up "better numbers" because of these things, and thats fine.
its a weird situation to compare Montana and Brady. Montana was at the top of his game when print media meant something, when people watched the news on TV to get their news. Brady is part of the new world, where print media and tv mean nothing. its all about the internet now, "smart" phones, getting everything we want, immediately.
CubsfanP
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Troy Aikman has been to 3 SB and won all 3...why isn't he the GOAT if that's your basis?
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Crewfan82
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I think you can throw Favre in that top 5 discussion. People think Brady hasn't had many receivers to throw to..... My top 5 is Montana, Elway, Unitas, Marino, Favre.
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I hate to keep correcting Pats' fans, especially ones I like, but the '99-03 (ish) Rams were the best/most dynamic Offense the league has ever seen.
With the early '80s Chargers, mid-90s Niners and the '98 Vikings in the Discussion as well...
Sorry. I can't help it if I have a massive reproductive organ.
You really think Brady is top 2 all-time?? He's already lost 2 SB's that he was heavily favored to win. Top 10 maybe but not top 5.
notjomommasclint
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Lost two Super Bowls to the giants.. Because they put hands on him.. Rough him up.. And make him all jittery. Not to mention they cover his "elite" threats in check!
Tomlinson21RB
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Sorry, maybe we're working on different criteria for most dynamic offense.
Pats 07: 589 points
Packers 11: 560
vikings 98: 556
The Pats are on pace for 592 this year.
I think the Rams did something that was very different than anyone else in the NFL at the time, but I can't see how that makes it more dynamic than the best scoring offense of all time.
Tomlinson21RB
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This is true. And they don't have the defense now that they once had, so he really has to win the game on offense or his defense will give up last minute scoring drives.
Until they figure out the defense they can't be the best team in football.
notjomommasclint
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I don't think they are the best team in football.. I just think their defensive philosophy is what it takes to clown the pats. Also their defense looked pretty good against them packers!
For my money the best team I'm football is in Houston!
Tomlinson21RB
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Sorry, my post was unclear. I meant the Pats don't have the defense they had when they won superbowls.
I thought the best team was Houston until the defensive injuries started to pile up.
I think it's a team game, in reality I think if you put Brady on the Colts and Manning on the Patriots they would have done almost the same thing in terms of wins and SB's. Peyton gets the nod from me because he seems to make the players around him better not saying Brady couldn't but he doesn't have too as much.
Also the Patriots aren't going to score 4 TD's a game on special teams and D, the last two games were anomalies.
Also the Patriots aren't going to score 4 TD's a game on special teams and D, the last two games were anomalies.
notjomommasclint
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Sorry I midunderstood.
Yeah new England's defense is suspect right now. Lots of youth for a change. Their DBs can be brutalized and their strength is up the middle wilfork is a monster of a man.. And dominates.
I don't think New England is bad or brady is a slouch.. a XXXXX? yes! but I don't think they are the best team.
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