Who is in the HOF but shouldn't be?

gt2590 said:

Gossage should be in IMO. Dominant closer of his time.

I have no real problem with Ozzie being in, but I still can't fathom how he made it in so much earlier than Andre Dawson did, they were both eligible at the same time...

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Hawk8 said:

Very good question


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Super Mario said:

I think the only question about Dawson being indicted is if he'll go in as a Red Sock or a Marlin?

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Super Mario said:

I said the voting is flawed.

Everyone knows that Joe DiMaggio is a first ballot hall of famer.

Everyone. It's not his fault the voters are jackasses. That's why I said the voting system needs an overhaul. There are people you mention who at first ballot people, and it's clear when you see their name you know they're a first ballot guy. The system has always been flawed, and it's BS.

Overhaul the system and make it a one or done.

You're either a first ballot hall of famer, or you're not a hall of famer at all. That's my view on the matter.

These guys that take several years to get in don't deserve to be in. Not Whitey, not Santo, and many others.

The whole system is a bunch of bull**** and we all know it. The steroid era is creating a ton of problems, and there'sa ton of ignorant voters out there who do **** out of spite.

Make up a system that has set in stone statistics for each position. You reach a set number in the majority of these categories, and you're in, no question. A vote won't be necessary. The human element will be removed. No bias, no ignorant voters holding grudges, no nonsense. You don't, you're out. End of story.

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patrick182 said:

Anyone else here think it's suspicious that 2 years after Ron Santo's death, which was 36 years after his last game, he gets elected into the HOF?

Stats:
9x AS
5x GG
2254 Career Hits
342 Career HR
.277 Career AVG

Hit stats are comparable to guys like: Scott Rolen, Ruben Sierra, and Bobby Bonilla. None of which are, or will ever be in the HOF.

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elmalo said:

You are comparing players from 2 completely different eras. In fact, the 60's and the 90/2000's are totally opposing eras.

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elmalo said:

You are comparing players from 2 completely different eras. In fact, the 60's and the 90/2000's are totally opposing eras.

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ChasHawk said:

Brooks Robinson - 23 seasons
.267/.322/.401
.723 OPS
2,848 hits
268 HR
1,357 RBI
78.4 WAR
4,270 total bases
.971 Field %
162 game avg – 159 hits/15 HR/76 RBI


Ron Santo - 15 seasons
.277/.362/.464
.826 OPS
2,254 hits
342 HR
1,331 RBI
70.4 WAR
3,779 total bases
.954 Field %
162 game avg – 163 hits/25 HR/96 RBI

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patrick182 said:

Let's take a look at some more guys whose stats are similar, but aren't and likely will never be in the HOF: Ken Boyer, Dale Murphy, and Aramis Ramirez. I still don't quite understand why a pass was made for Ron Santo.

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Mark70Z said:

For some reason, unknown to me, you left out the stats where you compare the post season records; please share?

Also, Brooks changed the game defensively at third. They may be similar with their regular season batting, Brooks was also a clutch hitter, but no one I know was comparing the best 3rd baseman of the day to Santo. Now I do think Santo was a very good 3rd baseman for sure.

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ChasHawk said:

So you're penalizing Santo for being on a bad team for his career?

I also don't know too many "clutch" hitters with a career .723 ops

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Super Mario said:

I don't know if there's any truth to this, but I've always heard as a collective whole, the baseball writers hated Santo's guts and only put him in after death as a punishment.

I think the same will be done with Pete Rose.

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Super Mario said:

I don't know if there's any truth to this, but I've always heard as a collective whole, the baseball writers hated Santo's guts and only put him in after death as a punishment.

I think the same will be done with Pete Rose.

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ChasHawk said:

So you're penalizing Santo for being on a bad team for his career?

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Mark70Z said:

Bad team? From what I remember the Cubs had some great players on their team in Santo's era. You had HOFers Banks, Williams, Jenkins, and Lou Brock for a bit. From what I recall off the top of my head they had some really good players as well, like Hundley, Kessinger and Beckert; I'm sure there were more.

It's just my view, but one of the problems with Santo being elected was that the Cubs already had Jenkins, Williams, and Banks in the Hall from his era, and they never really hit the mark as a team and then you had Santo as well. You're going to put another guy in and the Cubs couldn't even win their division?

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Mark70Z said:

Can I make the assumption that you didn't have the opportunity to see either of these players, B. Robby and Santo, on a regular basis during their playing days?

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