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Is the Topps exclusive a good or bad thing?

Is the Topps MLB exclusive a good or bad thing?


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Bill Menard

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Aug 26, 2008
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Good. In fact get rid of all the chase card stuff and just make baseball card sets with 792 base cards!!! Of you want kids to collect for the fun of collecting, I think this is a big thing that is missing. Let base Topps be base Topps.
 

Mighty Bombjack

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Aug 7, 2008
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Good. In fact get rid of all the chase card stuff and just make baseball card sets with 792 base cards!!! Of you want kids to collect for the fun of collecting, I think this is a big thing that is missing. Let base Topps be base Topps.
Very interesting. I kinda wish Topps were doing this, but not totally do away with the chase cards. Make them a true chase.

Topps could drastically reduce their costs of production if they purchased a very small handful of jerseys and bats of a few star players (retired and current) at the beginning of the year and then made those into chase cards to be placed into products across the year. These cards would be designed and produced once, but seeded across all products that they make. Collectors could buy products to build a set or chase rookies, and if you find one of those "hit" cards (which may fall one per case?), it should sell pretty well. For the next year, purchase bats and jerseys of different players and start over.

Same thing could be done for autos. Costs would come WAYYYY down, and so would box prices.
 
Initially I was excited about the exclusive! It was a great opportunity to mold the market and move forward with branding a product and making it a champion.

Now I think exclusives are XXXX! They missed the chance to streamline production and focus on many things including the base sets!

Is like to see topps drop back to about 6 releases per year and do them really well!

If MLB does expand I want panini to try their hand! Long live Diamond kings!
 

Lancemountain

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Bill Menard

New member
Aug 26, 2008
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Initially I was excited about the exclusive! It was a great opportunity to mold the market and move forward with branding a product and making it a champion.

Now I think exclusives are XXXX! They missed the chance to streamline production and focus on many things including the base sets!

Is like to see topps drop back to about 6 releases per year and do them really well!

If MLB does expand I want panini to try their hand! Long live Diamond kings!

I'd like to see them make a set made out of pre 90's card stock. Just to get that old cardboard feel and smell
 

ChasHawk

New member
Sep 4, 2008
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Belvidere, Illinois
There were too many releases in 2004/2005 with D/L/P, UD and Topps. I wouldn't want to go back to that era. Releases like Absolute Memorabilia, DK, PoloGrounds, SportCasters were and still are a nightmare for collectors to complete. Topps has an unparalleled history with baseball cards. The Heritage and Topps base sets are still the best for set collectors with Ginter being close behind. Bowman and Bowman Chrome are still the best for prospectors. Topps has been adding more higher-end stuff there have been more booklets, bat barrels and knob this year to add value for all you who break products.

I haven't busted packs and don't chase after the high-end stuff, but look forward to completing the Topps base and Heritage Yankee sets each year. I do enjoy seeing the SPs, SSPs and variations each year, they add a chase element to collecting base sets which makes it challenging.
Yet as a player collector, this is the time period where 80-90% of my collection hails from.

Who is it exactly that says you have to "complete" anything? And what would you do then if you did?
 

Dilferules

Well-known member
Aug 10, 2012
1,959
1,767
Auburn, WA
I don't want to go back to the days of 50+ sets per year but with all the similar sets that Topps puts out there's room to cut a lot, let in one or two other manufacturers, and keep the same number of sets. Here's what Topps put out in 2013, not counting online-only stuff like the Minis:

Bowman
Bowman Chrome
Bowman Draft
Bowman Platinum
Bowman Inception
Bowman Sterling
Topps 1/2/Update
Allen and Ginter
Gypsy Queen
Archives
Heritage
Stickers
Opening Day
Chrome
Finest
Five Star
Chipz (does that even count?)
Museum Collection
Tribute
Triple Threads
Tier One

For Bowman, you can get rid of Platinum, Inception, and even Chrome because they are duplicating what other sets already do. Gypsy Queen is just a more expensive copy of Ginter, why is that set needed? Five Star is in its own extremely expensive category, but why do we need Tribute, Triple Threads, Tier One, AND Museum Collection? You could easily eliminate 2 of those and not miss anything. Finest and Topps Chrome use practically the same concept at this point, and are released very close to each other. Cut Finest. They probably have some contractual obligation to make Opening Day but at least make it something other than a foil-less copy of base Topps. Do we need Stickers AND Chipz? And I have a soft spot for Archives but it's pretty much a useless set if you are going to make it with an auto checklist like the one they had this year.

That's 9 sets they could cut and we wouldn't really be missing anything because they are so similar to other brands. If one or two other manufacturers were allowed to make those sets you'd like to think they'd at least make something different that might be interesting. Though I have to say that almost every product Panini has put out in the last few years has been hot garbage and Upper Deck was going downhill fast in its last 2 years making baseball cards. So who knows if they'd do any better, but at least it'd be nice to find out.
 

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Panini has sucked because...

1. They are not DLP
2. They are working under limitations caused by the topps exclusive

Upper Deck made some incredible baseball products in 2008 and 2009 before they were forced/sued out of the game.
 

maxe0213

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isn't that what they're in business for?
Obviously. Doesn't mean it's what we as collectors want.

People keep buying these sh** products and nothing is going to change even though they complain. They just go back to buying the next product even when it looks awful. Its almost like a drug dealer (topps) and addicts (people who buy their products). They say its bad product but still go buy it because "they have to have it."

It sucks. I don't buy topps products anymore.
 

CubsfanP

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Upper Deck made some incredible baseball products in 2008 and 2009 before they were forced/sued out of the game.

As did DLP in 2005 before they were forced out.

I could do a long rant as say a bunch of things that I'm sure has been said before, but I won't.

Topps exclusive is not good. It could have been good though, they just messed it up.

Topps is a company I want to like, and I try to like. They just make it so dang hard to though.
 

BBCgalaxee

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There's a problem with just "not buying" a topps product these days, it generally doesn't work and there's potential it could really backfire.

Here's one case. When the first issue of gypsy queen was first announced for pre orders, us dealers and distributors knew there wasn't a need or desire from our customers for ANOTHER retro product so it was under ordered.

And because it was under ordered, it was hard to find and you know what happens when something is hard to find, especially in this "exclusive" market.

Dealers and distributors went crazy trying to get some to fill their customers needs and despite being a real XXXXty product it completely blew up in price.

And because of that, gypsy queen is now issued every year. Totally not needed.

And even for products which bomb on the secondary level, it doesn't have much affect.

Over the last few years, look how many topps products go down due to lack of collector buying. Yet they still maintain those issues.

Now obviously the mainstays will be produced (update, bc, heritage, ginter, etc) but perennial dogs like triple threads, five stars, Archives, gypsy are still made.
 

maxe0213

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There's a problem with just "not buying" a topps product these days, it generally doesn't work and there's potential it could really backfire.

Here's one case. When the first issue of gypsy queen was first announced for pre orders, us dealers and distributors knew there wasn't a need or desire from our customers for ANOTHER retro product so it was under ordered.

And because it was under ordered, it was hard to find and you know what happens when something is hard to find, especially in this "exclusive" market.

Dealers and distributors went crazy trying to get some to fill their customers needs and despite being a real XXXXty product it completely blew up in price.

And because of that, gypsy queen is now issued every year. Totally not needed.

And even for products which bomb on the secondary level, it doesn't have much affect.

Over the last few years, look how many topps products go down due to lack of collector buying. Yet they still maintain those issues.

Now obviously the mainstays will be produced (update, bc, heritage, ginter, etc) but perennial dogs like triple threads, five stars, Archives, gypsy are still made.

If enough people don't buy it would work. But problem is you can never get a large enough portion to not buy products.

Doesn't matter if they would "blow up" after. The customers would need to continue to not purchase even if they blew up in price. If a ton of people didn't buy gypsy queen and then saw that it was actually great value they would need to still not purchase the product.

It's hard to fathom and will never happen but it would be fairly easy to accomplish if you had tons of people not buying product.

However, most people in this hobby can't stop buying new products which IMO is sad.
 

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