Looks Like Panini Flawless is Expanding to Baseball

Jaypers · Mar 14, 2016

Because super high-end + no logos is always a winning combo.

In which universe is that considered to be "flawless"?

phillyfan0417 · Mar 14, 2016

Jaypers said:
Because super high-end + no logos is always a winning combo.

In which universe is that considered to be "flawless"?

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National treasures has done pretty well..

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Pinbreaker · Mar 14, 2016

You can stick to your Bowman Chrome and those of us that don't give a **** about logo's will buy this product..

death2redemptions · Mar 14, 2016

phillyfan0417 said:
National treasures has done pretty well..

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The first year of National Treasures (2012) was a great product because of all the relics (and cut sigs) of the deceased HOF & obscure deadball era players but none of the following releases lived up to the standard of that 2012 release. They still continued to put out some really nice looking cards with premium patches but breaking wax was almost always a sure loser (except for 2012). Immaculate also put out some amazing memorabilia cards but breaking wax was generally a waste. They are the sort of products you should stick to buying singles from (if you don't mind the lack of logos).

ChasHawk · Mar 15, 2016

Pinbreaker said:
You can stick to your Bowman Chrome and those of us that don't give a **** about logo's will buy this product..

I am a player collector, with no interest in Bowman chrome, and no interest in these Panini products.

phillyfan0417 · Mar 15, 2016

ChasHawk said:
I am a player collector, with no interest in Bowman chrome, and no interest in these Panini products.

I wouldn't have known that!

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moxacaine · Mar 15, 2016

I am buying the player and card, not the team logo. A nicely designed card trumps a team logo in my opinion.

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alexs64 · Mar 15, 2016

moxacaine said:
I am buying the player and card, not the team logo. A nicely designed card trumps a team logo in my opinion.

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If that's the case, then most people can make them on their own and sell them. The team I like it the Los Angeles Dodgers. Not Los Angles National League. Or National League Los Angeles or whatever they put on them.

phillyfan0417 · Mar 15, 2016

alexs64 said:
If that's the case, then most people can make them on their own and sell them. The team I like it the Los Angeles Dodgers. Not Los Angles National League. Or National League Los Angeles or whatever they put on them.

Its not the same.

If you don't like cards with logos, that's cool.

I buy the card and the auto/gu/patch

alexs64 · Mar 15, 2016

phillyfan0417 said:
Its not the same.

If you don't like cards with logos, that's cool.

I buy the card and the auto/gu/patch

I totally get that part. They are nice looking cards and include nice game used items.

I actually like cards with logos. it's the ones without them I can do without. ;-)

phillyfan0417 · Mar 15, 2016

alexs64 said:
I totally get that part. They are nice looking cards and include nice game used items.

I actually like cards with logos. it's the ones without them I can do without. ;-)

Which is great!

I can buy both. Of course if its close in terms of me liking it, I'll take logos...

jcmint · Mar 15, 2016

Logos would elevate this product to the next level. Too much no logo crap everywhere now

fordman · Mar 15, 2016

The almighty $ has spoken. Panini is making these because people are buying them. When they quit buying, the non licensed stuff will stop. The issue is with Panini, all of their baseball stuff is starting to clash with design. The designs are very similar each year and if Flawless and Immaculate are close in design, the collectors will reject them, logo's or not.

I like Panini stuff. No one has ever looked at my cards and ask why the Reds logo wasn't on Jay Bruce's helmet or uniform.

Fordman

Pinbreaker · Mar 15, 2016

I am going to buy whatever card looks good to me if it has a logo or not..

But lately if it's a sticker auto, unless it's got a good design, then I'll pass.. If it's on card auto, then I will go for it..

gracecollector · Mar 15, 2016

Same ****, different day. Just looking at the first picture I thought the card was a National Treasures card. Can we get a little bit more variety between brand offereings? Why do we need this product as consumers when we already had NT?

sportscardtheory · Mar 15, 2016

A universe where the out-of-touch major sport leagues believe that exclusive licensing is good/positive/progressive in an industry/hobby that mostly despises it.

ChasHawk · Mar 15, 2016

alexs64 said:
If that's the case, then most people can make them on their own and sell them. The team I like it the Los Angeles Dodgers. Not Los Angles National League. Or National League Los Angeles or whatever they put on them.

alexs64 said:
I totally get that part. They are nice looking cards and include nice game used items.

I actually like cards with logos. it's the ones without them I can do without. ;-)

jcmint said:
Logos would elevate this product to the next level. Too much no logo crap everywhere now

gracecollector said:
Same ****, different day. Just looking at the first picture I thought the card was a National Treasures card. Can we get a little bit more variety between brand offereings? Why do we need this product as consumers when we already had NT?

sportscardtheory said:
A universe where the out-of-touch major sport leagues believe that exclusive licensing is good/positive/progressive in an industry/hobby that mostly despises it.

All of this...

RStadlerASU22 · Mar 15, 2016

gracecollector said:
Same ****, different day. Just looking at the first picture I thought the card was a National Treasures card. Can we get a little bit more variety between brand offereings? Why do we need this product as consumers when we already had NT?

This is the most concerning. Regardless of logos, switch the high $ brand designs up because it dulls them down when repeated over n over.

Ryan

swish54_99 · Mar 16, 2016

RStadlerASU22 said:
This is the most concerning. Regardless of logos, switch the high $ brand designs up because it dulls them down when repeated over n over.

Ryan

Or not have so many high $ releases?!?! I think this stuff would be more valuable and cooler if each company didn't have 3 or 4 high end releases a year.

George_Calfas · Mar 16, 2016

Ho wmuch money is MLB passing on by not allowing Panini to use logos?

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