Dilferules
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Well you have a real interesting way of thinking if not discussing something irrelevant to whether or not this particular action is stealing makes my opinion meaningless. Sorry but our brains work in different ways.
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Well you have a real interesting way of thinking if not discussing something irrelevant to whether or not this particular action is stealing makes my opinion meaningless. Sorry but our brains work in different ways.
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chris19978
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My main point is your using the word stealing so often it's not stealing if ebay doesn't own it and just because you list it there doesn't mean it has to be sold there. You keep using the words stealing and they don't have the item to steal. Where in the ebay policy does it say if you list a item here you must sell it here. They don't want you to sell off ebay because they will lose money that wouldn't be theirs without you putting in the work to list it in the first place.
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chris19978
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You back tracked on a response not long ago saying it wasn't stealing but you use that word again so to you we have a bunch of criminals here on the boards even know they bought these items most likely on ebay and try to sell them where they feel after buying it.
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Dilferules
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http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/rfe-spam-non-ebay-sale.html
I am (and always have been) only referring to items that the buyer found on ebay. They found it on ebay so the seller used ebay to find their buyer, and ebay should be paid what they are owed per the terms of your listing: the FVF.
Please tell me where I said it wasn't stealing. Maybe you're mixing up where I was talking about when somebody did not find the item through ebay or the seller contacted the buyer about other unlisted items they had that the buyer might be interested in. Those are different scenarios.
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chris19978
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It's not stealing if it's your item your selling. I don't care how you choose to sell it as it's still yours till its sold.
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Have you stopped using ebay?
sportscardtheory
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I buy on ebay.
So you continue to use a service you feel steals from people?
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sportscardtheory
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Where else can I find the cards I need. It is for the sellers anyway. Why would I harm their sales to spite ebay.
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Anybody else's head hurt?
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I find it very interesting all the people justifying selling off ebay because ebay has some questionable policies and avoiding the real question. The question is " Should you enter an agreement with a company to provide a service to you( provide you with a buyer) and then receive a buyer due to their service and then refuse to pay the company for that service they provided.
So you can judge them dishonest but it wont stop you...interesting.
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If you paid to list it then you have paid there service I pay them monthly for my store now what I decide to do after that is my opinion as it's my item keep it on and sell it which I normally do or sell another way. It's still my item if you paid the a fee for using there service you have filled your obligation. Finial value fee is only if you sell the item through ebay not finding someone who wants it and is willing to buy off ebay for a cheaper price where both sides can benefit on the deal. Listing on ebay doesn't mean they own the item or it needs to be sold there, no laws are broken if you sell off ebay as it was still your item your selling.
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sportscardtheory
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Oh, you must not have read the post this was in response to.
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I find it very interesting all the people that continue to focus on sellers skirting ebay fees while completely ignoring ebay hiding listings. Why do you only seem to care about one and not the other? I get that they are separate issues, but how can you not see the contradictory nature of championing one side of the very same coin.
Lancemountain
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It doesn't look like you do.
Dilferules
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I think you've touched on the main reason the two sides are never going to see eye to eye on this issue:
One side believes that the main and essential service ebay provides is finding you a buyer through their highly visible website, and all fees paid/owed to them are for this function.
The other side believes that the main services ebay provides are placing your listing on a web page and having a button for a buyer to click to buy it...if "finding a buyer" is even a service at all it's covered by the listing fee.
It's a philosophical difference in thinking about services businesses and maybe even economics as a whole. A message board thread isn't going to change those points of view so the arguments just go in circles.
I find it very interesting that either:
A. You are so upset that your attempts to divert the subject to an emotional argument against big bad ebay have failed, that you keep harping on it. Everybody else seems to be able to separate the issues. Like I've said, if you want to make a thread about the bad things ebay has done, be my guest because I bet it would have a lot of replies. This thread is about whether avoiding FVF is stealing and any discussion about other various bad things ebay has done go down the road of "well it's okay to avoid FVF because look at this other stuff ebay has done". It looks like you're making the argument that's it's more okay to do this with ebay than it is with another company that you feel is more upstanding, which is not an argument that avoiding FVF isn't stealing. I don't know you well enough to judge whether or not you honestly don't see that, or you are intentionally trying to sway people to your side with an emotional appeal. And it's a shame because you've made some good points in your arguments...I don't agree with them, but they were compelling. Trying to bring unrelated evidence in only hurts your argument.
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B. You honestly do not have the ability to separate out the moral/ethical virtues of a business as a whole from one specific issue. It clouds your judgement so much that it subconsciously makes you feel that it's wrong to not pay a poor starving honest business owner but righteous to not pay a corporation that has done bad things. It affects your ability to be impartial about very narrow specific issues. The fight against corporations doing bad things is commendable and necessary, but has zero to do with whether or not avoiding FVF is stealing.
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sportscardtheory
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You guys ever gonna give an opinion on ebay stealing from sellers. Just curious. lol
Lancemountain
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Start a thread discussing that matter. This thread is discussing another matter: one you haven't been able to legitimize.
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