1998 Finest Base vs No Protector Base & Ref vs. No Protector Ref

Matsuicollector · May 17, 2013

I'm sure this has been posted before but I didn't find it. Anyway, real quickly, here's what I see to be the difference.

Base vs No Protector base: The no protector has a chrome like finish on the back, whereas the base does not

Ref vs No Protector Ref: The base ref has an R near the number on the back, whereas the no protector does not

Are those the defining features?

timtom · May 17, 2013

The no protector refractor has an R next to the number as well, at least mine does.

The NP refractor also has a chrome like back and has a refractor back as well, where the base refractor does not have a refractor back of the card.

Dan

gracecollector · May 17, 2013

This may seem obvious, but the defining characteristic is that the No Protectors came out of the back with no protective film on them. Otherwise, you back differences and R for refractor are also differences.

Matsuicollector · May 17, 2013

gracecollector said:
This may seem obvious, but the defining characteristic is that the No Protectors came out of the back with no protective film on them. Otherwise, you back differences and R for refractor are also differences.

Yeah, I was talking about aside from the obvious lack or presence of a protector

Basically, I purchased what supposed to be both the ref and no protector ref, but both appear to be the same card. They both have no protectors, but do have the R next to the number. So I'm assuming they are both base refractors that had the protective coating removed.

That seem correct?

EDIT: Both of the refractors I have also have a refractor finish on the back. Did the base refs have this refractor finish on the back as well?

gracecollector · May 17, 2013

There is one quirk on the 1998 No-Protector Refractors:

In Series 1, only the refractive quality of the front and back printing reveals this insert. Series 2 No-Protector Refractors have an “R” suffix to the card number on back. So Series 1 No-Protector refractors did NOT have an R, just the chrome type back.

In your case, are the backs the same type? Protector refractors shouldn't have the chrome type back, while the the No-Protector shoud.

Matsuicollector · May 17, 2013

gracecollector said:
There is one quirk on the 1998 No-Protector Refractors:

In Series 1, only the refractive quality of the front and back printing reveals this insert. Series 2 No-Protector Refractors have an “R” suffix to the card number on back. So Series 1 No-Protector refractors did NOT have an R, just the chrome type back.

In your case, are the backs the same type? Protector refractors shouldn't have the chrome type back, while the the No-Protector shoud.

Yes, both have an R and both have refractor-backs. Posada is card #217 . Was this series 2?

George_Calfas · May 17, 2013

Protectors are on the right and No-Protectors are on the left.

Matsuicollector · May 17, 2013

George_Calfas said:
Protectors are on the right and No-Protectors are on the left.

Thanks George. Guess I have 2 no-protector refs then.

George_Calfas · May 17, 2013

Matsuicollector said:
Thanks George. Guess I have 2 no-protector refs then.

Awesome

gracecollector · May 17, 2013

Series One was cards 1-150. Your Posada - a Series 2- No-Protector Refractor should have an R.

Matsuicollector · May 17, 2013

gracecollector said:
Series One was cards 1-150. Your Posada - a Series 2- No-Protector Refractor should have an R.

Got it. Thanks for your help. Looks like I ended with with 2 no-protector refs instead of one of each.

saucywombat · May 17, 2013

Also some of the Series II refractors are "wrong backed" - some refractors will not have the "R" designation on the back.

AUTaxMan · May 17, 2013

saucywombat said:
Also some of the Series II refractors are "wrong backed" - some refractors will not have the "R" designation on the back.

there also may be non-refractors that do have the R.

ASTROBURN · May 17, 2013

Cant wait to get home and double check mine.

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