George_Calfas
Well-known member
That's a great joke, I almost sprewed coffee out of my nose.Ozzie Smith is one of the biggest jokes in the hall.
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That's a great joke, I almost sprewed coffee out of my nose.Ozzie Smith is one of the biggest jokes in the hall.
Then let's kick out Craig Biggio.
Easy, killer. Biggio belongs.
Anyone with 3K hits belongs........................except Charlie Hustle.
For several in the hall, that is just a product of hanging around forever to get to that number.
Or just leave it the way it is and vote in a few players each year without people *****ing that they aren't "hallworthy".
To start I love the fact that MLB's HOF is the most exclusive of the 4 major sports in this country. Like others have said it's the HOF not the "hall of good, very good, great". I think that guys were voted in that shouldn't be in and I think that guys that should be in aren't in. I'm of the opinion that if you dominated your position regardless of when or where then you should be in the HOF. Compilers or guys that just hang on 3 seasons too many is a negative in my eye.
I also don't like the fact that defense other than shortstop is an automatic "IN" to the hall. You have guys that roamed the outfield with the best of them, but don't get a vote because they didn't lead the league in any major offensive stat. Defense is half of the game being played or is it just 9 innings of offense?
And trying to compare eras with others is just plain idiotic. There is a reason Ted Williams was the last to hit over .400. There is a reason why 3 inning relief pitchers like "Goose" were frowned upon for so long.
Baseball is a living breathing organism, trying to "compare" guys of vastly different eras does not and will not work as hard as you may try.
Anyone else here think it's suspicious that 2 years after Ron Santo's death, which was 36 years after his last game, he gets elected into the HOF?
Stats:
9x AS
5x GG
2254 Career Hits
342 Career HR
.277 Career AVG
Hit stats are comparable to guys like: Scott Rolen, Ruben Sierra, and Bobby Bonilla. None of which are, or will ever be in the HOF.
That makes no sense. The Hall of Fame has no say or influence into who is voted in. The baseball writers choose the inductees.The HOF has a business to run and will always have people inducted that others wouldn't consider HOFers. It's about money.
Santo's career was also cut short due to diabetes, [MENTION=4293]patrick182[/MENTION]. Politics kept Santo out of the HOF until after his death. The sports writers of his era who have voting rights didn't like him. He was brash & ****y and it rubbed some writers the wrong way. Politics, not numbers.
If you took every Cubs player out of the HOF, @SuperMario would be perfectly happy. It's no secret that he despises the Cubs for some reason. "Derp, I'm a Cardinals fan so, derp, I hate the Cubs with the fury of a thousand suns. Derp."
I'm a Cubs fan and I don't hate the Cardinals with a passion. I just love the game of baseball. If that makes me less of a Cubs fan to people, I couldn't care less.
This discussion is tiresome.
The HOF has a business to run and will always have people inducted that others wouldn't consider HOFers. It's about money.
Lucky!I am sure this will not go well over with some/most here but...
I absolutely love that the Hall of Fame is a great selection of baseball faces and names worth remembering for various reasons, and not a hall of stats. Guys like the wizard & the goose defined the sport just as much as Griffey Jr & Mantle to me.
I only live about an hour away from Cooperstown and have been there about 50 times. It is such a great time walking the halls not simply surrounded by statistics but by personalities that made the game great to watch also.