Who should be in the HOF, but is not?

Nate Colbert 17 · Jan 8, 2016

NOTE: I did zero research before typing this. so feel free to disagree with my opinion.

There has been a lot of posts lately regarding Tim Raines and whether or not he is a HOFer, so I decided to make my own "Not in the HOF, but should be lineup". I have left off those who will probably will get in (Bagwell, Hoffman, etc.) and those who are not yet eligible (Vlad, Pudge, etc.)

P Jack Morris/Tony Mullane
C Ted Simmons
1B Fred McGriff
2B Lou Whitaker
SS Alan Trammell
3B Dick Allen
OF Paul Hines
OF Vada Pinson
OF Tony Oliva

Who is on your team?

goobmcnasty · Jan 8, 2016

Pete Rose
Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Mark McGwire
Sammy Sosa
Rafael Palmeiro

zlpeterson · Jan 8, 2016

PETE ROSE

oiccup41 · Jan 8, 2016

goobmcnasty said:
Pete Rose
Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Mark McGwire
Sammy Sosa
Rafael Palmeiro

This

gogosox40 · Jan 8, 2016

"Shoeless" Joe Jackson

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DeliciousBacon · Jan 8, 2016

Gil Hodges.

AnthonyCorona · Jan 8, 2016

goobmcnasty said:
Pete Rose
Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Mark McGwire
Sammy Sosa
Rafael Palmeiro

I dunno about McGwire or Sosa but the others are dead on

goobmcnasty · Jan 8, 2016

AnthonyCorona said:
I dunno about McGwire or Sosa but the others are dead on

I hear a lot of people saying McGwire and Sosa shouldn't be in because they were just homerun hitters... then the same people argue that Rivera/Hoffman should be in... even though their game was one-dimensional as well (9th inning every 4 days).

Final career numbers aside (500+ HRs), what McGwire and Sosa did for baseball in 1998 put them over the top in my book.

Topnotchsy · Jan 8, 2016

goobmcnasty said:
I hear a lot of people saying McGwire and Sosa shouldn't be in because they were just homerun hitters... then the same people argue that Rivera/Hoffman should be in... even though their game was one-dimensional as well (9th inning every 4 days).

Final career numbers aside (500+ HRs), what McGwire and Sosa did for baseball in 1998 put them over the top in my book.

I think it's a combination of the fact that they were one dimensional, and that that one dimension was artificially enhanced. Many of the people who are open to PED users entering the Hall of Fame want to at least filter out players who they believe would not have been Hall of Famer's without PED's. It's generally assumed that bonds and Clemens would have been Hall of Famer's without using performance-enhancing drugs, but it is less clear that that would be the case for Mark McGwire or Sammy Sosa

goobmcnasty · Jan 8, 2016

Topnotchsy said:
I think it's a combination of the fact that they were one dimensional, and that that one dimension was artificially enhanced. Many of the people who are open to PED users entering the Hall of Fame want to at least filter out players who they believe would not have been Hall of Famer's without PED's. It's generally assumed that bonds and Clemens would have been Hall of Famer's without using performance-enhancing drugs, but it is less clear that that would be the case for Mark McGwire or Sammy Sosa

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joey12508 · Jan 8, 2016

Jim Katt.

Yankee Jason · Jan 8, 2016

Don mattingly and Thurman munson

Enfuego79 · Jan 8, 2016

Roger Maris

EricTownsend88 · Jan 8, 2016

These two

patrick182 · Jan 8, 2016

Can someone please help me understand why Sammy Sosa deserves HOF induction? The guy needed juice just to be any good at baseball. Before the HR chase of '98, he was basically a nobody.

Deserving or not, PED guys by design alone, will never be considered. I didn't make the rules but I do acknowledge them. Seriously though, should we think they deserve to be in the HOF when they cheated?

If I took a race car to a boy scouts pinewood derby contest and won, should I really be praised? This type of thinking is completely irreverant.

psj · Jan 8, 2016

I'd put McGriff in over Mac and Sosa every day of the week. If McGriff hit 7 more honers to have 500, he'd b in already

AnthonyCorona · Jan 8, 2016

Topnotchsy said:
I think it's a combination of the fact that they were one dimensional, and that that one dimension was artificially enhanced. Many of the people who are open to PED users entering the Hall of Fame want to at least filter out players who they believe would not have been Hall of Famer's without PED's. It's generally assumed that bonds and Clemens would have been Hall of Famer's without using performance-enhancing drugs, but it is less clear that that would be the case for Mark McGwire or Sammy Sosa

I think you put that nicely. I think Bonds, Clemens and Alex Rodriguez would have been in regardless of PEDs. Its a lot harder to argue that with Mac and Sosa but they were huge in bringing some fans back to baseball in 98

RStadlerASU22 · Jan 8, 2016

Topnotchsy said:
I think it's a combination of the fact that they were one dimensional, and that that one dimension was artificially enhanced. Many of the people who are open to PED users entering the Hall of Fame want to at least filter out players who they believe would not have been Hall of Famer's without PED's. It's generally assumed that bonds and Clemens would have been Hall of Famer's without using performance-enhancing drugs, but it is less clear that that would be the case for Mark McGwire or Sammy Sosa

Pretty much this... Would player x have made it w/o enhancement? If the answer is yes, they belong in the HOF.

Ryan

psj · Jan 8, 2016

And that's why Bonds and Clemens are in the 40's, and Sosa and Mac are pretty much gone

DeliciousBacon · Jan 8, 2016

Enfuego79 said:
Roger Maris

I've never understood the Maris Hall love. Yes, he had 1961, but one season does not make a Hall of Famer. Too high a percentage of his important stats came from 1961, and 1960 (his other MVP year). That's a two year peak that renders the rest of his numbers good for such a short career, but for a short-careered power hitter, he's no Ralph Kiner.

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