joey12508
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thats pretting bad. guy reminds me of the redneck selling knives on one of those shopping channels.
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I agree, but didnt know if they have posted even trying
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Bob Loblaw
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This was obvious when you created the forum, Chris.
They did manufacture some SWEET cartoons, though.
FriarG
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Not paid, no, they're just supporting a long time member of, and large contributor to that forum. Major League has been posting and breaking over there for a long time. Just sad that he went into the grab bag business. I liked the guy - wont buy his product though.
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I notice some "what do you think about prospect rush" threads were taken down on BO...
soakley123
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I want to be clear, this is not the kind of product/gamble that I'm into. I like knowing that player lots, refs, etc are there to back me in case my autos suck in my case of BC, etc. I think that to a degree people are crying unfair because it's more clear to the average intelligent person how much profit the guy is making off of this product...but what did you expect? If you buy a $195 box you have a 1/500 chance at a Soler Super Auto, Red Dahl, Red Addison, Red Bradley, Purple Bundy, etc, etc, etc. The math on lottery scratch offs and slot machines is downright criminal (and people make that argument well enough to keep lottery out of some states and casinos out of many states), but people just keep on buying them. 1/500 is the best shot that anyone is ever going to get at a huge hit like that and I think there are plenty of people happy to take that chance. I've only seen a few breaks and personally I was doing the math thinking wow that sucks, but all of the guys who paid $65/spot and got their Blue Bauer Refractor Auto 9.5/10 or Lincecum Refractor Auto or Bundy Base Auto 9.5/10 seemed to be perfectly content with "winning" that or "just losing $65." How much money do you think the guy is supposed to make? I'd assume it looks like after purchasing, packaging, paying some employees for labor (contracting out various parts) he'll probably double his money...but we are talking about a guy putting up $40K-$50K up front to make this happen. I'm not mad he's making money but I think that a lot of the hate on here comes from everyone thinking that they could have done the same thing. Well if you have $50K sitting around knock yourself out.
Theres a few guys here who just hate this kinda thing, some of the other people here hate that some of the same people applauding this effort absolutely lit up Boomo and HOS. The product is what it is a gamble nothing more nothing less. Another thing people here can easily see is that some of the big supporters of this product are some of the same guys who sold major league a ton of the product for this product which is extremely transparent. I for one am not a hater but would never buy this type of product. I bought a slot in the HOS crap and its just not for me.
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Hi,
I'm still curious about what I'm supposed to be "defending" myself for? I spent about 4 weeks here, I answered every question asked of me head on and honestly. I even went so far as to tell my life story, my former business, my occupation, all about my disability, and my Ebay id. Next thing I know my forum is being closed after 4 cases busted that returned similar if not more on average than other buyback products. The other beauty here is all cards have HUGE room for increases due to call ups and big games. We made it very clear this is a high risk, high reward product. I even took direct suggestions on this board and made instant changes to the packaging and released a checklist. No other company has EVER serial #'d the boxes or released a checklist. Add to that double slabs in low end boxes, FREE bonus hits of Plates, Red, Orange, Blue, Gold Refractors, Bonus Autographs, Patches etc. Dislike me, Dislike the Product, but the extra value inserted to those buying it is very clear.
We released a product, those buying it love it, and it Sold out on release day. Everyone is open to an opinion, if you don't like it, no problem at all.
Thanks to all the members that offered constructive criticism to make the release better. It has all been compiled and will be considered. And thank you to Freedom for the initial opportunity to have a forum here.
All the best.
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goldenegg1
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Get rid of the cartoon cards.
It is so hard to take this product seriously with those things. I know it is a way to get around grab bag status, but come on, those things are laughable.
It is so hard to take this product seriously with those things. I know it is a way to get around grab bag status, but come on, those things are laughable.
mjbuchanan80
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I've never seen a full checklist for this product (its not even on BO product site for Prospect Rush).
And as mentioned above (and time and time again) the comic cards are embarrassing for a $200/box product. Not only was it dumb to put them in there in the first place, but you actually short printed some of them. Why? No one is collecting these or buying your product for them. Why did you go to expense of making them? Hell, you personally could have gone the Tempy Moore route and sketched up some crappy cards and avoided the grab bag laws. Maybe cutting out this expense could have yielded better cards in your product.
The reason I hate your product. ANYONE can do it! There are people selling lots on eBay right now doing the exact same thing your doing, only on a smaller scale. And if eBayers can do this, and you show that you are making money by stepping it up a notch it will not be long before lots of other people start doing this. Then the Topps monkeys decide that they are cutting budget on new products because its much cheaper to buy back their own damn cards on eBay and release them to the gamblers who'll gobble them up like Lohan does crack. Then where will this hobby be? A bunch of gamblers exchanging cards back an forth and stupid f***** comic card 1/1's everywhere.
And is anyone else anticipating the "Inception" effect like I am? When are we going to see our first repack product containing buybacks from previous repacked products?
tl;dr I hate repacks
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Mighty Bombjack
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I want to echo what mjbuchanan80 has said above. I don't like this or any repack product because anyone can do it ad infinitum. Sell these cards right back to Prospect Rush so you can gamble on them again next year, if that's what gives you thrills. People keep saying, "it's a gamble, nothing more and nothing less." True, but not many are willing to explicitly state that these products are a result of the devolution of what was once a hobby. Does anyone call scratching tickets or buying lottery numbers a hobby? Not that I've ever heard. Those tickets, just like current base cards and non-auto/gu/color card, go right into the trash. Further, when people defend the product by directly relating the ROI of it to that of Bowman Chrome or some such product, they are stating that they don't care about the content of a product outside of what it can be sold for. Topps is a poorly run company that seems to be getting shadier and shadier, but at the least they support and are supported by MLB and a huge number of professional players at all levels. They have a relationship with their content, a relationship that used to extend to the consumer as an actual fan of baseball and its teams and players. That is going away quickly, and I feel old for lamenting it, but I will continue to do so.
Off of soapbox for now...
Off of soapbox for now...
nappyd
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Those cartoons were sicker than getting bird flu aids.
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notjomommasclint
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Repackaging cards just brings the wholesale market to the gamblers in the hobby. The "risk reward" is ungodly with your offering. It benefits no one and frankly is an affront to everyone when you get defensive over your "product". If you don't like the reaction create something and make it worth a XXXX.
I'm old Greg
I'm old Greg
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Bob Loblaw
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You also have to assume that all of the big hits are actually big hits. For example, let's say you and I are great friends, Soakley. And let's also say that neither of our moral barometers are set very high.
I'm going to sell you a case. And you're going to report that you pulled the Soler! And then you're going to put it on eBay. But guess what - I never really sold you a case. And when you get paid on the Soler, you're going to give me the money.
Where I'm going with this is, and I said this about Leaf as well -- Topps has to answer to shareholders, and a BOD, as well as MLB, regarding their products, and any shadiness involved in same. Leaf, Prospect Rush, ANY micro"manufacturer", doesn't have to answer to anyone.
And if there's more money to be made by doing something shady -- my 30+ year history in this business leads me to believe that someone will pull that shady maneuver to make more money.
Just to be clear...
You dont have any experience in this business.
You are a collector and never anything more. Not everyone who fires up an ebay account is in the industry.
uniquebaseballcards
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This grab-bag is different than a lottery scratch-off - you can't really say how much the supers and reds are worth because the market for them was set in part by the grab-bag people... while you can always say you've won X number of dollars in a lottery scratch-off.
So while the grab-bag folks can say the grand prize is worth $5K because that's what they paid for it - but without their bid(s) (they may have been jacking up the value of the card, who knows?) the card is less valuable than it may seem.
This all gets real ugly after a while.
So while the grab-bag folks can say the grand prize is worth $5K because that's what they paid for it - but without their bid(s) (they may have been jacking up the value of the card, who knows?) the card is less valuable than it may seem.
This all gets real ugly after a while.
They could, if they had that kind of money laying around but they don't. So the easiest thing to do is complain about it. If I had that kind of money I would do the same thing. There is a market for this kind of thing and as long as they sell out it will continue to be around. Congrats to him on selling his product out.
soakley123
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soakley123
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so your argument might as well be you don't like baseball and this product is stupid and he's a terrible businessman and lacks intelligence and character for making a baseball product...at least we could understand that argument, try again
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