gmarutiak
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But...but...Bud Selig told me the steroid era ended several years ago!?!?!?
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Biogenesis founder testifying against players; A-Rod, Braun etc to be suspended
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Austin
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Unfortunately, as long as players will continue to be morons and take PEDs, despite knowledge of MLB's rules and testing, these investigations will continue.
It blows my mind that some players are still stupid enough to take the chance of being caught. And that they would use a clinic that knows the players' names, instead of buying the PEDs anonymously through someone else who can't be linked back to them.
I have no sympathy for the players, if they are guilty.
shayscards79
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Excellent post.
I'm pretty much indifferent to these stories anymore. The sad part is that these teams will be losing key players in the future if this guy is even telling truth.
Just like I said with Bonds and I'll say it with ARod, drugs or not, still two of the greatest players to ever play the game.
U L Washington Rookie
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For some of them, 'moron' is probably far from accurate. One could make such decision under very smart, rational consideration. Consider the possibility of living in terrible conditions and having the chance to set your family up for generations while risking only suspension from MLB and some long-term health issues. Seems like a reasonable trade off. Heck, coal miners and oil-drilling guys and crab fishermen take larger risks for less payoff and we don't call them morons for making that decision.
There are still a few names yet to be released.
I wouldn't be surprised if Machado was one of them. Machado and Rodriguez are friends. They work out together in the offseason. A Miami product.
notjomommasclint
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Bosch is going to get locked down tighter than fingercuffs by the mlbpa and their legal team. I'm talking airtight!
I don't see this ending well for baseball.. Not well at all!
I don't see this ending well for baseball.. Not well at all!
Enfuego79
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I second that!
Bob Loblaw
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I'm thrilled that Braun is in the mix for this, given how he got away with it last year.
U L Washington Rookie
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Without positive tests (or maybe criminal convictions), I believe the labor deal with the MLBPA and MLB will be a huge hurdle for suspensions to be handed down.
Don't any of you find it odd that the official language released uses the verb "linked" to the clinic? Make no mistake that statement was crafted as there are definite libel concerns releasing that information. The worked "linked" certainly stuck out to me. Very carefully worded. What this means at this point I'm not really sure....
This doesnt argue my point or make yours. You said "So, yeah, it's not like Bosch has any reason to tell MLB whatever it wants to hear."
Which came across to me, that you were saying, bosch would be lying. I may have misunderstood you, but that's how I read it. I was just stating, thats if he was lying, and their was no story, why would arod be buyng the records. There wouldnt be anything, if it's all lies.
That's my take.
I hope all that are guilty of using, get whats coming to them.
I also hope, I have none of them on my fantasy teams.
nborton
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I was thinking the same thing. Without positive tests it might be difficult to do anything with any info gained from this. Other than to scrutinize the players even closer, and maybe have some failed testing eventually.
lol when it's the truth and backed by the players trying to buy it and keep it from the mlb, it is evidence.
Why are you guys protecting the cheaters. Let them get caught. Why is this a personal thing for some?
I had friends using roids in HS, back in 86, one went on to play at usc and 8-9 years in the nfl. These guys are doing it now too. and with better stuff.
Let them get caught and move on.
hive17
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I've read the MLB's JDPTP a few times; while I can't find the exact wording right now, I'm pretty sure I've read somewhere that a conspiracy like this is considered "evidence".
But like I said, Bosch is an unsavory character. For as much crap as we give these players for being associated with him, it seems odd that MLB would now hitch their wagon to his "good word".
Look, I'm not commenting on guilt or innocence here; but Bosch is gonna' get dick-kicked by the player's lawyers in this thing.
A_Pharis
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ESPN is really dancing around this report. They are pretty direct when they come to the accusations against ARod, but, with Braun, they very loosely use "a connection".
I agree with those saying that all this Bosch did was agree to cooperate. People are just assuming that means "agreeing to Braun being guilty". Until he talks, there's no telling what "cooperating" will reveal.
I agree with those saying that all this Bosch did was agree to cooperate. People are just assuming that means "agreeing to Braun being guilty". Until he talks, there's no telling what "cooperating" will reveal.
hive17
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Do you really not understand why a fan of the team of one of the bigger names is taking this personally? Really?
Also, A-Rod buying up the records is circumstantial evidence.
