THE GREATEST PLAYERS OF ALL-TIME TEAM - by position - Left-handed Starting Pitcher

sportscardtheory · May 11, 2012

Lets assemble the greatest team ever by voting on who the best overall is at each position. Up currently, left-handed starting pitcher. I'll do the next after we get 50+ votes, then the next and so on.

VOTE FOR YOUR TOP-TWO

C - JOHNNY BENCH
1B - LOU GEHRIG
2B - ROGERS HORNSBY
SS - HONUS WAGNER
3B - MIKE SCHMIDT
LF - TED WILLIAMS
CF - WILLIE MAYS
RF - BABE RUTH
DH - EDGAR MARTINEZ
SP -
SP -
SP -
SP -
RP -

SP pool - LP - RANDY JOHNSON, SANDY KOUFAX

elmalo · May 11, 2012

Koufax and Koufax. Whitey Ford would be second on my list. Very underrated pitcher.

Brewer Andy · May 11, 2012

Ford doesn't even belong in the conversation. And if Spahn finishes behind Koufax my head will explode

MansGame · May 11, 2012

Randy Johnson in his prime?

matfanofold · May 11, 2012

Edit, I need to learn to read better...

Brewer Andy · May 11, 2012

matfanofold said:
Other and other, all things considered I'd go with Clemens and Ryan.

As "LEFT HANDED" starting pitchers? I won't start debating that Ryan is nowhere close on either list ........yet

elmalo · May 11, 2012

Brewer Andy said:
Ford doesn't even belong in the conversation. And if Spahn finishes behind Koufax my head will explode

Ok.

sheetskout · May 11, 2012

I don't think this is even a tough choice.

Spahn pitched 1100 more innnings than Johnson winning the most games by a LH-starter in the history of MLB. His career ERA was lower even with all the additional innings and pitched 382 complete games to Johnson's 100. Not to mention Spahn hit 35 career HR's as a PITCHER, and was a top-five finish in the MVP four times (as a PITCHER) for mostly bad teams except in the late 50's.

phillyfan0417 · May 11, 2012

Lefty Grove...

One of the most underappreciated pitchers in baseball history. Others have more wins - Grove won his 300th game in his final start of a 17-year career - but in other areas, he was unparalleled. He led the American League in strikeouts seven consecutive years, victories four times and ERA nine times. If he had played in an era with the Cy Young Award, he would have won it as much as Roger Clemens. Grove did win the MVP award in 1931, when he went 31-4 with a 2.06 ERA and five saves to boot. He also has two World Series wins, and went 4-2 with a 1.75 ERA in the postseason in his career.

nosterbor · May 11, 2012

Spahn. Enough said. I can not wait for the Right handed pitches. All the guys in the dead ball era that will be chosen::facepalm::

phillyfan0417 · May 11, 2012

Randy Johnson is going to win this poll.

LOL

sheetskout · May 11, 2012

phillyfan0417 said:
Randy Johnson is going to win this poll.

LOL

.....proving that these polls mean absolutely nothing.

phillyfan0417 · May 11, 2012

sheetskout said:
.....proving that these polls mean absolutely nothing.

There are 3 or 4 legit names on there that could be #1, Randy johnson is 5th.

elmalo · May 11, 2012

Brewer Andy said:
Ford doesn't even belong in the conversation. And if Spahn finishes behind Koufax my head will explode

Spahn ERA 3.09 ERA+ 119 WHIP 1.195 H/9 8.3 BB/9 2.5
Koufax ERA 2.76 ERA+ 131 WHIP 1.106 H/9 6.8 BB/9 3.2
Johnson ERA 3.29 ERA+ 135 WHIP 1.171 H/9 7.3 BB/9 3.3
Ford ERA 2.75 ERA+ 133 WHIP 1.215 H/9 7.5 BB/9 3.1
How exactly does Ford not even belong in the conversation?

Brewer Andy · May 11, 2012

elmalo said:
Spahn ERA 3.09 ERA+ 119 WHIP 1.195 H/9 8.3 BB/9 2.5
Koufax ERA 2.76 ERA+ 131 WHIP 1.106 H/9 6.8 BB/9 3.2
Johnson ERA 3.29 ERA+ 135 WHIP 1.171 H/9 7.3 BB/9 3.3
Ford ERA 2.75 ERA+ 133 WHIP 1.215 H/9 7.5 BB/9 3.1
How exactly does Ford not even belong in the conversation?

Because Spahn kept up the pace for about 5 more seasons to the tune of almost 130 more wins and 226 more CG. You can say he's underrated, and you're right, but to say he's the 2nd best lefty (regardless of who is or isn't 1st) is a bit of a stretch IMO

sportscardtheory · May 11, 2012

sheetskout said:
.....proving that these polls mean absolutely nothing.

The two who lead this poll in voting will be in the RUNNING to make the final 4-man rotation for this all-time team.

scotty216brs · May 11, 2012

phillyfan0417 said:
Lefty Grove...

One of the most underappreciated pitchers in baseball history. Others have more wins - Grove won his 300th game in his final start of a 17-year career - but in other areas, he was unparalleled. He led the American League in strikeouts seven consecutive years, victories four times and ERA nine times. If he had played in an era with the Cy Young Award, he would have won it as much as Roger Clemens. Grove did win the MVP award in 1931, when he went 31-4 with a 2.06 ERA and five saves to boot. He also has two World Series wins, and went 4-2 with a 1.75 ERA in the postseason in his career.

Where the hell is the thanks button????? Screw it, someone buy this man a drink!

4th all time in ERA+, 1st for LHP. Dude could pitch!

Mozzie22 · May 11, 2012

scotty216brs said:
Where the hell is the thanks button????? Screw it, someone buy this man a drink!

4th all time in ERA+, 1st for LHP. Dude could pitch!

This. How in the hell is Koufax getting votes?

sportscardtheory · May 11, 2012

scotty216brs said:
Where the hell is the thanks button????? Screw it, someone buy this man a drink!

4th all time in ERA+, 1st for LHP. Dude could pitch!

Plus his NAME is Lefty. lol

scotty216brs · May 11, 2012

sportscardtheory said:
Plus his NAME is Lefty. lol

Aww yea!

"Lefty Grove could throw a lamb chop past a wolf."

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THE GREATEST PLAYERS OF ALL-TIME TEAM - by position - Left-handed Starting Pitcher

Who is the greatest overall left-handed SP of all-time? (please select your top-two)

Sandy Koufax

Randy Johnson

Lefty Grove

Warren Spahn

Eddie Plank

Steve Carlton

Carl Hubbell

Whitey Ford

Tom Glavine

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