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Top five war and one of the best defensive catchers in the league. Thoughts?
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Why no love for Yadier Molina for MVP?
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All The Hype
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And Molina's team will make the playoffs by the looks of it.
I think there are other guys (Posey, McCutchen, Braun) who have all had better seasons than Molina, but of those, Posey has carried the Giants into the postseason. Braun has clearly had the best year of any NL player offensively, but the Brewers are all but out of contention and I think people aren't so high on him right now since everyone in the country knows he cheated.
I think when it's said and done, Molina will wind up in 3rd or 4th place in the NL voting.
I think there are other guys (Posey, McCutchen, Braun) who have all had better seasons than Molina, but of those, Posey has carried the Giants into the postseason. Braun has clearly had the best year of any NL player offensively, but the Brewers are all but out of contention and I think people aren't so high on him right now since everyone in the country knows he cheated.
I think when it's said and done, Molina will wind up in 3rd or 4th place in the NL voting.
Mozzie22
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not one of the best... the best defensive catcher in MLB. He deserves more consideration for MVP.
JoshHamilton
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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cards01fan
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? Not sure what that means. The irony is I am not a big Molina fan but I have to give him credit. If the cards don't have him they are 15 games under .500.
wolfmanalfredo
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Is that what his war suggests? Because that would be ridiculous
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cards01fan
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If you do the sportswriter thing "gotta be on a playoff team" (assuming stl doesn't choke) then it's down to posey and Molina. The big differences in those two are rbi's,sb's(lol) and defense.
All The Hype
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I personally hate the "must make playoffs to be MVP" argument. I think a player can still be the MVP in the league on a last place team. If he is the best player in the league and carries the team all year, how does it make him less valuable if the rest of his team doesn't have what it takes to collectively get into the playoffs?
That being said, reality is that many of the voters DO use the playoff mentality when voting. Braun has unquestionably had the best NL season, but his team won't make the playoffs (and I'd guess most people are still mad he cheated) so he's probably not going to win it. Posey has to be the frontrunner at this point.
wolfmanalfredo
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I don't know that I agree most of the time with the "made playoffs" argument, but I can see it as another stat or variable that should be considered.
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1st4040
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Molina for MVP based on WAR??? you can't be serious.....
If a catcher was going to win it would probably be Posey but no catcher has stats remotely close offensively to the top tier guys in the league.
If a catcher was going to win it would probably be Posey but no catcher has stats remotely close offensively to the top tier guys in the league.
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cards01fan
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I don't like the "must make the play offs "either but most of the voters play that as their song.
All The Hype
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Have you followed the AL MVP debate this year? Cabrera is far superior to Trout in virtually every offensive category except SB (and he's 2nd to Trout in runs), but Trout leads by a considerable margin in WAR and a lot of people seem to have Trout as the frontrunner.
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XXXX that guy
matfanofold
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Like just about ANY professional sports award, popularity and name recognition has a part, and unfortunatly Yadier falls short in this department..
PujolsCollector
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I have had the Molina/Posey argument numerous times. Molina is by far a better defensive player and I believe he is a smarter catcher also ,pitching and defense win games. Molina has a WAR of 6.9 Poseys is 6.7. I think voters will look at it as the Cardinals barely made the "playoffs" but the Giants clinched the west giving posey the edge there. Braun will not make MVP because of them being out of it and because of last years steroid stuff.
PujolsCollector
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Are you saying people don't know who Yadier Molina is? If so I have to strongly disagree with you there.
I just can't see it man.
matfanofold
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What I am saying is many more know who Posey, Braun, ect.. is from a standpoint of popularity.
Feel free to strongly disagree with that fact if you wish..
PujolsCollector
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You are right more non baseball fans know of Posey, Harper, Braun but in baseball circles I believe Molinas name has to be there.
