Need advice on card i received today...eBay problem!

sigma_chi · Dec 18, 2012

Hey guys, hoping you could give me some advice on a card I recently purchased and received in the mail today. It is a Mike Stanton Blue Refractor Bowman Chrome auto. I bought it for my PC, had no intentions of grading or reselling but when the card came I was thoroughly disappointed in its "rough" condition. There are countless surface scratches on the front and back and the bottom corners are dinged as well. I don't expect mint cards all the time, normally I overlook small flaws even if they're not described in the auction and I've never had to ask for a refund because of condition and that's why I'm asking for advice. What recourse do I have? If I do send the card back could he possibly scam me and what procedures do I need to enact to ensure that I won't be out my $363 AND a card? I will list the eBay auction below with description along with pictures of the card I took today. Thanks for any advice

First his response to my message initially telling him about the damage

I'm sorry you are disapointed. But when I sent it there was no bent corners. Minor surface marks are very common with those cards. Also I'm positive that if it was graded it would be graded at least a mint 9. I don't take refunds, espicially if you are telling me that the back was bent. It wasn't bent prior to me selling it. I can offer you a discount because you are so unsatisfied. I could credit your Paypal account 10 percent if you want? Let me know if that's okay with you. Sorry, Ryan

2008 Bowman Chrome Mike Michael Stanton RC Auto Blue Autograph 150 BV $600 | eBay

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PadresFan86 · Dec 18, 2012

You should return it if you're not happy with it.

sigma_chi · Dec 18, 2012

PadresFan86 said:
You should return it if you're not happy with it.

He told me he didn't accept returns though. Should I file an item not as described?

PadresFan86 · Dec 18, 2012

sigma_chi said:
He told me he didn't accept returns though. Should I file an item not as described?

Yeah. It's Ebay, they pretty much always side with the buyer.

CatdaddysCards · Dec 18, 2012

He says condition is mint. From your pics, the card is NM, at best. I would request a significantly higher discount, than $36. If graded, it would get an 8.5 AT BEST. Odds are a 7.5 or 8 though. I'd want at least 25% refunded, or file a claim as not as described. That card is far from mint.

prospectorgems · Dec 18, 2012

If it was shipped in the holder that appears in the picture, there is NO WAY the corners could have been damaged upon shipping. I realize the seller obviously knows this as well and is only trying to cover themselves from not listing the condition issues.

I would file an item not as described even if the seller won't offer a refund. You have record that you tried to contact the seller to resolve the issue and it was basically denied. I don't think 10% of the sale is enough to cover the front/back surface scratches and dinged corners. To me, the seller is admitting guilt and knew full well the card was damaged by offering 10% back. Doesn't hurt anything to at least file.

alexs64 · Dec 18, 2012

file a claim and return it. I returned a 1/1 because of bent up corner. There are many more for you to choose from.

sigma_chi · Dec 18, 2012

Yes, he shipped the card in the exact one touch. I only opened the top to take pictures. I'm thoroughly disappointed because I really was looking forward to adding this card to my PC. Thanks for the advice.

cmnkb8 · Dec 18, 2012

If all those scratches look as bad in person as they do in the pic, there is NO WAY that card is anywhere near a 9. That surface is probably a 7.5 at best. I would be pissed if that's what I got, especially since he stated "MINT" in the listing. File an item not as described and ask to return it for a refund in your claim to ebay, and upload the pictures to help your case. Ebay will very likely side with you (they almost always do in these cases, warranted or not, which in this case is warranted IMO). Don't send anything back to the seller until ebay makes a decision and gives you instructions to do so, otherwise you are not guaranteed a refund.

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