Would you crack and resubmit this?

sigma_chi · Apr 15, 2013

I recently acquired a nice Harper Blue Auto BGS 9/10. The subs are 9-centering, 9.5-corners & Edges, and 8.5 on surface. Looking at the card closely it looks like there are no scratches or print marks on the surface but a couple of mysterious marks or spots that could possibly be wiped off with a cloth. What would you do if you were me...say what the heck and crack it out and try to clean the surface or leave it and enjoy it as it is?

ThoseBackPages · Apr 15, 2013

i would not.

All The Hype · Apr 15, 2013

Keep in mind you need to get TWO .5 bumps, not one. 9.5, 9.5, 9, 9 would still be a 9....minimum overall 9.5 grade is three 9.5 subs and one 9.

If you were .5 away it's worth a shot on a card like this where a 9.5 would add a couple hundred dollars of value, but if you're 1.0 away, that's tougher to do. If you think surface grade came from fingerprints, then it may be worth a shot, as those can be pretty easily removed.

sigma_chi · Apr 15, 2013

Thanks guys, keep the opinions coming! I am a novice grader....actually I have never, ever submitted a card before in my life so the advice of you guys who are knowledgeable about grading is what i'm looking for.

Keyser Soze · Apr 15, 2013

All The Hype said:
Keep in mind you need to get TWO .5 bumps, not one. 9.5, 9.5, 9, 9 would still be a 9....minimum overall 9.5 grade is three 9.5 subs and one 9.

If you were .5 away it's worth a shot on a card like this where a 9.5 would add a couple hundred dollars of value, but if you're 1.0 away, that's tougher to do. If you think surface grade came from fingerprints, then it may be worth a shot, as those can be pretty easily removed.

I agree with the above. You MIGHT get a sub bump on the surface and you MIGHT get a sub bump on the centering, but I think it's pretty unlikely that you get a bump on both. However, if you think the only blemishes on the surface are those spots that can be wiped off, it's entirely possible that you can get a full point bump. Tough to say without having the card in hand.

JEBJJA · Apr 15, 2013

Keyser Soze said:
I agree with the above. You MIGHT get a sub bump on the surface and you MIGHT get a sub bump on the centering, but I think it's pretty unlikely that you get a bump on both. However, if you think the only blemishes on the surface are those spots that can be wiped off, it's entirely possible that you can get a full point bump. Tough to say without having the card in hand.

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Pine Tar · Apr 15, 2013

I would just keep as it is and move on in life.

jbhofmann · Apr 15, 2013

sawmillthug · Apr 15, 2013

I might crack it and wipe down the surface and try again. Nothing to lose and maybe a different set of eyes seeing it might help. If you can make a show where they do rcr I suggest that also

jhand13 · Apr 15, 2013

I would leave it in the BGS case

jcmint · Apr 15, 2013

2 bumps is tough

Keyser Soze · Apr 15, 2013

jcmint said:
2 bumps is tough

2 bumps IS tough, but he only needs 1 bump if cleaning the surface spots raises the surface sub a full point, which is completely feasible

uniquebaseballcards · Apr 15, 2013

Pine Tar said:
I would just keep as it is and move on in life.

^^ This. Plus cracking cards out of cases also risks damaging the card.

Keyser Soze · Apr 15, 2013

uniquebaseballcards said:
^^ This. Plus cracking cards out of cases also risks damaging the card.

Not if done right. Cutting them out with a Dremel Tool removes 99% of the risk. I've removed 7 or 8 cards from slabs with no issues.

cmnkb8 · Apr 15, 2013

Centering looks like a 9.5 on a good day (unless the back is really bad). The centering **** probably graded that one. As mentioned, if the surface is 8.5 because of easily removable smudges, crack, wipe, and re-sub. I do it all the time (with varying degrees of success). You may be pleasantly surprised with the result.

jcmint · Apr 15, 2013

good luck with a full bump. Lets not forget the grader can just as easily downgrade a sub. The odds all subs stay the same and one sub gets a full point bump are not good at all.

Keyser Soze said:
2 bumps IS tough, but he only needs 1 bump if cleaning the surface spots raises the surface sub a full point, which is completely feasible

uniquebaseballcards · Apr 15, 2013

Keyser Soze said:
Not if done right. Cutting them out with a Dremel Tool removes 99% of the risk. I've removed 7 or 8 cards from slabs with no issues.

Nice. I normally take a hammer and a screwdriver and shatter the area where the label is. I must've done this 25 times or so.

RipitRipken · Apr 15, 2013

OP...if you really think the only issues on surface are fingerprints, I would most DEFINITELY remove it.

1. It's easy to remove from the case if you know how to do it.
2. Centering looks like it's a 50/50 shot at a 9.5
3. as mentioned, if you remove fingerprints....you have a good chance at what you seek. I think the risk is definitely worth the reward.

Do it with a large group, or find a RCR place. That will give you the highest probability.

Keyser Soze · Apr 16, 2013

uniquebaseballcards said:
Nice. I normally take a hammer and a screwdriver and shatter the area where the label is. I must've done this 25 times or so.

I'm scared to try any method that involves blunt force and impact

jbrown · Apr 16, 2013

Keyser Soze said:
I'm scared to try any method that involves blunt force and impact

This is the way I have always done it. Use a large Phillips head screw driver, put the card on a flat hard surface, place screw driver at the base of the label, then hit it rather hard to get through both sides of the case. The case should pop into two halves that are nearly identical. Simply remove the card and cut from sleeve.

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