1975 Topps George Brett PSA 10 - How high does this go??

Gonzaleznut · Feb 4, 2014

Not my auction, but I saw that this was already at $9,000 with over 5 days to go. Incredible!! How high do you think this will go? Thanks.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1975-Topps-George-Brett-ROOKIE-RC-228-PSA-10-GEM-MINT-PWCC/400656262975?_trksid=p2045573.c100034.m2102&_trkparms=aid%3D555012%26algo%3DPW.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20263%26meid%3D4605023526482908109%26pid%3D100034%26prg%3D9059%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D8%26sd%3D131109976426

George_Calfas · Feb 4, 2014

6,200+ Brett's graded any only 9 PSA10s.......it has legs left........Bill Dodge does not own a 10 so my money is on his collection.

vwnut13 · Feb 4, 2014

mmm, I love me some fraying edges.

jpruitt2 · Feb 4, 2014

How does that card grade a 10? The edges seem rough and check out the centering on the back.

RStadlerASU22 · Feb 4, 2014

I get they are more lenient on vintage and the fraying they feel is factory and not a defect , though it def is tough to say its Gem with the edges. However that back centering would irritate the hell out of me and no way if I'm shelling out 10k is that the quality I'm dropping that cash on that centering esp w the edges

Ryan

vwnut13 · Feb 4, 2014

jpruitt2 said:
How does that card grade a 10? The edges seem rough and check out the centering on the back.

PSA and BGS have different standards. Heck, a PSA 9 can be 90/10 on the back!

PSA 10: 55/45 to 60/40 percent on the front, and 75/25 percent on the reverse.
BGS 10: 50/50 all around on front. 60/40 or better on back

PSA 9: 60/40 to 65/35 or better on the front and 90/10 or better on the reverse.
BGS 9: 55/45 both ways on front. 70/30 or better on back

PSA 8: 65/35 to 70/30 or better on the front and 90/10 or better on the reverse
BGS 8: 60/40 both ways or better on front. 80/20 or better on back

PSA 7: 70/30 to 75/25 or better on the front and 90/10 or better on the back
BGS 7: 65/35 both ways or better on front. 90/10 or better on back

PSA 6: 80/20 or better on the front and 90/10 or better on the reverse
BGS 6: 70/30 both ways or better on front. 95/5 or better on back

PSA 5: 85/15 or better on the front and 90/10 or better on the back
BGS 5: 75/25 both ways or better on front. 95/5 or better on back

PSA 4: 85/15 or better on the front and 90/10 or better on the back
BGS 4: 80/20 both ways or better on front. 100/0 or better on back

PSA 3: 90/10 or better on the front and back
BGS 3: 85/15 both ways or better on front. 100/0 or better on back

PSA 2: 90/10 or better on the front and back
BGS 2: 90/10 both ways or better on front. 100/0 or offcut on back

SINFULONE · Feb 4, 2014

jpruitt2 said:
How does that card grade a 10? The edges seem rough and check out the centering on the back.

Noticed the fuzzy edges too.Puzzling.

MansGame · Feb 4, 2014

Between the fuzzy left side and the obvious off center on the back, I'm just flat out confused. How the hell...

George_Calfas · Feb 4, 2014

Modern and Vintage get different treatment and certain sets or issues are treated specially. I assume high grade vintage OPC would really confuse some people.

smapdi · Feb 4, 2014

PSA has always ignored 'fuzz' on edges. The cardstock was crude and the cutters weren't sharpened very often. This is an extremely nice card and the edges are solid but with extra fibers hanging off, perfectly normal. In fact, that indicates the card wasn't trimmed or shaved. You should see 1950s OPC hockey. They probably cut the whole print run with a single blade.

1975 is the most competitive set of the decade, one of the most competitive of all post-war sets as far as the Registry goes. With so many 9.25+ sets lacking a Brett 10, not to mention other kinds of collectors, I wouldn't be surprised to see it break $10K. Even now I think it's by far the highest price for a 1970s card in any grade.

Plus, PWCC auctions seem to pull premiums over the same cards sold by other, lesser dealers.

vwnut13 · Feb 4, 2014

George_Calfas said:
Modern and Vintage get different treatment and certain sets or issues are treated specially. I assume high grade vintage OPC would really confuse some people.

A card is either a 10, or it isn't a 10.

Just because a certain set has certain issues, doesn't mean that those issues should be outright ignored.

George_Calfas · Feb 4, 2014

vwnut13 said:
A card is either a 10, or it isn't a 10.

Just because a certain set has certain issues, doesn't mean that those issues should be outright ignored.

How do you deal with wire cut cards? Wire cut card edge will never look like a modern card but based upon technology of the time the card may be deemed pristine.

WillBBC · Feb 5, 2014

George_Calfas said:
How do you deal with wire cut cards? Wire cut card edge will never look like a modern card but based upon technology of the time the card may be deemed pristine.

Well put.

I'm guessing 14,350. Let's have a contest?

RStadlerASU22 · Feb 5, 2014

George_Calfas said:
How do you deal with wire cut cards? Wire cut card edge will never look like a modern card but based upon technology of the time the card may be deemed pristine.

Do you feel the centering on the back is up to par with a 10 ? Forgetting what PSA says with the 75/25 , I'm just curious on your opinion. If you wanted a PSA 10 1975 George Brett , would this be an example you would be good with , esp when laying out 12k? Would you buy the grade or the card?

Just curious as to what you think

Ryan

wolfmanalfredo · Feb 5, 2014

That card is a beaut!

Lancemountain · Feb 5, 2014

Yeah I agree I think it's a fantastic card as well.

I think the people that are having issues with it are not used to dealing with cards from this era

nosterbor · Feb 5, 2014

I remember when I use to open a lot of wax when I was a kid in the mid 60's. Use to get boxes for 25 cents at the 5 and dime after the season was or. They would blast them out. We used to get them just for the gum. after opening a box your pants were full of cardboard fuzzy's. The Brett card is awesome, that fuzzy on the edges is what make's it a 10

Lancemountain · Feb 5, 2014

Great Band Names #56 : The Carboard Fuzzy's

pootshwan · Feb 5, 2014

I have always thought some of PSA's biggest customers had the convenience of lenient grading (to put it nicely). PWCC happens to be one of PSA's largest customers. I have a feeling if a 'regular' collector like myself submitted this card it would not come back a 10. Just my opinion. A few customers that I believe get special treatment: PWCC, 4_sharp_corners, probstein123

How does the saying go? Pay for the card not the flip. It's still obviously a beautiful card with near perfect centering on the front.

Being a Frank collector, this card comes to mind: POP 1

RiceLynnEvans75 · Feb 5, 2014

A PSA 10 and a BGS 10 are not the same grade.

Additionally, set standards are great and all, but unless they are actually applied it doesn't really matter.

vwnut13 said:
PSA and BGS have different standards. Heck, a PSA 9 can be 90/10 on the back!

PSA 10: 55/45 to 60/40 percent on the front, and 75/25 percent on the reverse.
BGS 10: 50/50 all around on front. 60/40 or better on back

PSA 9: 60/40 to 65/35 or better on the front and 90/10 or better on the reverse.
BGS 9: 55/45 both ways on front. 70/30 or better on back

PSA 8: 65/35 to 70/30 or better on the front and 90/10 or better on the reverse
BGS 8: 60/40 both ways or better on front. 80/20 or better on back

PSA 7: 70/30 to 75/25 or better on the front and 90/10 or better on the back
BGS 7: 65/35 both ways or better on front. 90/10 or better on back

PSA 6: 80/20 or better on the front and 90/10 or better on the reverse
BGS 6: 70/30 both ways or better on front. 95/5 or better on back

PSA 5: 85/15 or better on the front and 90/10 or better on the back
BGS 5: 75/25 both ways or better on front. 95/5 or better on back

PSA 4: 85/15 or better on the front and 90/10 or better on the back
BGS 4: 80/20 both ways or better on front. 100/0 or better on back

PSA 3: 90/10 or better on the front and back
BGS 3: 85/15 both ways or better on front. 100/0 or better on back

PSA 2: 90/10 or better on the front and back
BGS 2: 90/10 both ways or better on front. 100/0 or offcut on back

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