First five years of Bowman Chrome: how many future HOFers?

BBCgalaxee · Aug 9, 2014

Here are the best rookie cards from 97-01, how many should be inducted?

97
Halladay
Aramis ramirez
Beltre
Chavez
Tejada
Werth
Berkman

98
Rollins
Carlos Lee

99
Sabathia
Soriano
Mulder
Dunn
Hudson
Holliday
Hamilton
Crawford

00
Francisco Rodriguez
Brandon Phillips
Oswalt
Zito

01
Pujols
Ichiro
Hafner
Reyes
Morneau
Peavy

Brewer Andy · Aug 9, 2014

Lotta border-liners for sure! Only 2 stone cold locks, both from '01

Will Style 13 · Aug 9, 2014

A lot of borderline players. Keep in mind I think Ichiro is the only 1st ballot depending on how Pujols ends his career.

BBCgalaxee said:
Here are the best rookie cards from 97-01, how many should be inducted?

97
Halladay
Beltre

98
Rollins

01
Pujols
Ichiro

dano7 · Aug 10, 2014

Pujols & Ichiro. The others are debatable.
DANNY

Topnotchsy · Aug 10, 2014

BBCgalaxee said:
Here are the best rookie cards from 97-01, how many should be inducted?

97
Halladay
Beltre
Berkman

99
Sabathia
Hudson

01
Pujols
Ichiro

Fun post. I was thinking about this recently (although) I focused on early players with RC autographs.

IMO Halladay should be a lock. Arguably the best pitcher in baseball for a decade. Won 2 Cy Youngs and had many other finishes in the top 5.

Beltre could easily wind up with 3000 hits. He had a really strange career but the totals are impressive and he's still going strong. Berkman was a beast at the plate. Not sure if he will make it but think he deserves consideration.

I'm not a huge fan of either of the pitchers from 1999 making the Hall but I think both reflect the "new HOF pitcher". Neither will be near 300 wins. Neither was as dominant as Halladay but both were elite pitchers for a long time. I don't think I would vote them in, but think they have a chance.

Pujols and Ichiro are first ballot locks.

moxacaine · Aug 10, 2014

Pujols and Ichiro for sure. Beltre will depend on the rest of his career and Halladay is on the fence.

RStadlerASU22 · Aug 10, 2014

Same answer as most so far ,

Pujols n Ichiro in

Halladay and Beltre are the next closest , with Halladay having a better shot IMO

And I think CC will get a decent vote , not in , but some respect. Berkman not getting to 2000 hits will hurt votes, so I don't think he'll have a real good %

Ryan

hive17 · Aug 10, 2014

Does no one think Dunn reaching 500 HRs gets him in? And what about K-Rod holding the single season saves record? Otherwise, I'll just echo what others have said.

Brewer Andy · Aug 10, 2014

hive17 said:
Does no one think Dunn reaching 500 HRs gets him in? And what about K-Rod holding the single season saves record? Otherwise, I'll just echo what others have said.

If Dunn gets to 500 I think he'll get a few votes but not many. 500 ain't what it used to be. A modern day Dave Kingman, feared HR hitter but never, in any year, close to being one of the league's top players. Pretty one dimensional. Being a fan favorite helps but nowhere near enough.
K-Rod I don't think is even close. A couple of dominant seasons but pretty average for the rest of his career. Bobby Thigpen once held that single season record too

gt2590 · Aug 10, 2014

I wouldn't discount Hudson's chances, especially if he gets 2-3 more good seasons and has some Post-season success.

And Hamilton has some work to do, but it's reachable for him I think...

maxe0213 · Aug 10, 2014

It's 3 mo doubt. Ichiro, pujols, beltre definitely.

smapdi · Aug 10, 2014

Kingman only finished with 440 or so, as I recall. 500 isn't just a nice round number, it's a mark that really separates the elites from the Kingmans. However, Dunn might be, like Biggio reaching 3000, the exception to it being an automatic in, PED cases aside.

I think Halladay gets in, but that might be the Phillies fan in me. Other than the two obvious ones, I think he's the only one with a legit case.

Austin · Aug 10, 2014

smapdi said:
Kingman only finished with 440 or so, as I recall. 500 isn't just a nice round number, it's a mark that really separates the elites from the Kingmans.

Dunn probably won't even get 500 homers.
His contract is over this season. Which team would want him next year, especially with the amount of money he makes?
He turns 35 in a few months and he's horrible.

His last four season batting averages are .159, .204. .216 and .219.
He only has 17 homers and 44 rbi this season, so he's essentially worthless as a big bat.
This will be his final season.

And even if he somehow does reach 500 homers, he has a .237 lifetime batting average.
He has absolutely no shot at the Hall of Fame.

hrbek14 · Aug 11, 2014

Beltre
Pujols
Ichiro

Wouldn't object to Morneau making it but he's not deserving.

CubsfanP · Aug 11, 2014

Halladay deserves more consideration. One could argue he was the Top pitcher of his Era.

300 wins and tons of innings/strikeouts over a long career are a thing of the past. If he does not make it, or at least come close, it looks bleak for the remaining pitchers going forward.

Juan Gris · Aug 11, 2014

hive17 said:
Does no one think Dunn reaching 500 HRs gets him in?

sheetskout · Aug 11, 2014

Pretty sure Francisco Rodriguez gets in when all is said and done. 30 more saves puts him at 7th all time by himself. He's currently just over 32 years old.

Brewer Andy · Aug 11, 2014

sheetskout said:
Pretty sure Francisco Rodriguez gets in when all is said and done. 30 more saves puts him at 7th all time by himself. He's currently just over 32 years old.

Wow. Had no idea he was that young. I'm still not sure his dominant years lasted long enough. I see him as pretty darn replaceable most seasons

sheetskout · Aug 11, 2014

Brewer Andy said:
Wow. Had no idea he was that young. I'm still not sure his dominant years lasted long enough. I see him as pretty darn replaceable most seasons

Replaceable? Eh?

Rodriguez has been a top-five in the Cy Young three times for a closer. He holds the single season saves record and topped 45 saves three times. His career ERA is 2.71. By the time Rodriguez is finished, with just 100 more saves, he would be in 4th place all time. That and the single-season record gets him in for me. If he closes any longer than that, he'd likely be a first-ballot in the conversation with someone like Trevor Hoffman.

I think we see him out there for the Brewers and think, "No big deal."

Brewer Andy · Aug 11, 2014

sheetskout said:
I think we see him out there for the Brewers and think, "No big deal."

Lol, this is definitely a factor

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