How many little bat slivers do you think a game used bat contains?

Zan · Dec 1, 2014

Thinking about all of the bat cards I have, how many little bat slivers do you think a card company can get from a game used bat? No idea what this could be, but it gets me thinking... what if a company produced more cards than they have bat slivers or jersey pieces in inventory...?

Mighty Bombjack · Dec 1, 2014

The general numbers I heard thrown around at Topps were 2000 pieces from a bat and 1200 from a jersey (the latter having more variation due to size differences).

rsmath · Dec 2, 2014

Zan said:
... what if a company produced more cards than they have bat slivers or jersey pieces in inventory...?

I believe Topps already does. We know they do redemptions for cards that there is no supporting auto stickers in inventory to make the card and we know Topps does redemptions for relics too, so obviously putting cards on a checklist for which they don't have any bat or jersey relics to put on the card.

Pine Tar · Dec 2, 2014

Why are you planning on putting the gamer back together?

DaClyde · Dec 2, 2014

Unless it's a surface piece of a bat, I just assume the wood chip is from some white ash 2x4 Topps picked up at Lowes. The language on the cards these days isn't even hedging on the side of the wood chip being part of a bat, just that it "is not from any specific game, event or season". Basically the disclaimer means "this card contains a piece of wood" and nothing more.

Dilferules · Dec 2, 2014

DaClyde said:
Unless it's a surface piece of a bat, I just assume the wood chip is from some white ash 2x4 Topps picked up at Lowes. The language on the cards these days isn't even hedging on the side of the wood chip being part of a bat, just that it "is not from any specific game, event or season". Basically the disclaimer means "this card contains a piece of wood" and nothing more.

I've seen this argument a lot, but all of the recent Topps relic cards I've seen state specifically "Game-Used Memorabilia" on the front. Their standard disclaimer on the back states, "The relic contained in this card is not from any specific game, event, or season." It doesn't say it's not from any specific person, so Topps is still indicating it's a piece of an item used by Player X in a game. I assume this disclaimer is because they were getting lawsuits from people because the jersey piece wasn't the exact one from the picture on the card, or it was a Yankees jersey when the player was pictured wearing a Red Sox jersey, or it's not an actual World Series-worn jersey on those yearly World Series cards, or it's not the actual bat Robin Yount got his 3,000th hit with or something.

The REAL problem with the disclaimer is what Topps considers "used" and "game". If Randy Johnson wore a jersey sitting in the dugout during his 4th day of rest, I'm sure Topps considers it "game-used" even though he didn't play in the game. When Ted Williams managed the Senators he wore those uniforms during games. And what about a game? We may only consider it a true game-used jersey if it was worn during the 162-game season or the playoffs, but spring training games are officially MLB sanctioned games. How about minor league games? How about that old-timers game I saw when I was a kid before an A's game?

Techniq · Dec 2, 2014

Or perhaps an intense game of Monopoly? Game used none the less I suppose

Mighty Bombjack · Dec 2, 2014

Techniq said:
Or perhaps an intense game of Monopoly? Game used none the less I suppose

This is funny. I'm picturing a Topps rep watching Trout and Pujols playing Xbox in the Spring Training clubhouse, sweating because they are wearing 20 jerseys layered on top of each other

swish54_99 · Dec 3, 2014

Mighty Bombjack said:
This is funny. I'm picturing a Topps rep watching Trout and Pujols playing Xbox in the Spring Training clubhouse, sweating because they are wearing 20 jerseys layered on top of each other

I actually don't think that's too far off. Wasn't there something in the NFL not too long ago where players were at some NFL event and were wearing multiple jerseys and constantly switching and wearing more so the card company involved could say they were "event used."

Mighty Bombjack · Dec 3, 2014

swish54_99 said:
I actually don't think that's too far off. Wasn't there something in the NFL not too long ago where players were at some NFL event and were wearing multiple jerseys and constantly switching and wearing more so the card company involved could say they were "event used."

Yeah, they do this at rookie shoots pretty consistently. Not only that, but the jerseys are HUGE and contain multiple of the same patches so there is more to slice up and use. "Event worn" is a joke. Leaf even brought jerseys for players to wear during a signing, and then put the simple "player worn" on cards. I think that was for Valiant but am not certain.

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