'03 or '09 worst dual ROY winners?

BBCgalaxee · Jul 11, 2015

From the last 25 years, those two years are probably the worst in terms of the careers both winners had.

03 was angel berrora and dontrelle
09 was Andrew Bailey and Chris Coghlan

Which say you?

RStadlerASU22 · Jul 11, 2015

Man I seriously have no recollection of who those 09' guys are. So I know Id have to agree it couldn't be worse.

Ryan

gitarst182 · Jul 11, 2015

Chris Coghlan is still pretty relevant in the majors and has been pretty consistent. I wouldn't mind him in the outfield for the M's. As for berrora, Willis and bailey I wouldn't know who to choose.

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AnthonyCorona · Jul 11, 2015

I remember 03 cuz I couldn't believe Matsui didn't get it

JVHaste · Jul 11, 2015

I'd say 09 is worse but its close.

and 01 is by far the best.

BBCgalaxee · Jul 11, 2015

AnthonyCorona said:
I remember 03 cuz I couldn't believe Matsui didn't get it

So so true!

Any time I hear berrora's name I think that.

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BBCgalaxee · Jul 11, 2015

2001 was one of those "once in a lifetime" scenarios.

Both will be hall of famers (first ballot should be)

Both had true rookie cards that year

Both are still highly collected

Both had record breaking rookie seasons

But because of this, they are a big reason why Judy Heeter and her crew invented the mlb RC logo and stopped topps from putting prospects in non bowman issues.

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Brewer Andy · Jul 11, 2015

AnthonyCorona said:
I remember 03 cuz I couldn't believe Matsui didn't get it

I think there was some backlash after Ichiro won it and what we're willing to consider "rookies". At least that's what I remember the narrative being for Matsui

JVHaste · Jul 11, 2015

Brewer Andy said:
I think there was some backlash after Ichiro won it and what we're willing to consider "rookies". At least that's what I remember the narrative being for Matsui

Thinking back I remembered it being a snub, but now looking at the stats its very close. Berroa had a slightly better WAR, many more steals, triples, runs, slg% and 1 more homer while having the same avg.
My faded memory had Matsui hitting about 23hrs, but he only hit 16. If he had in the low 20s I think that would have put him over the hump... close vote.

Looking at the rest of the pack you could give it to Tex. as well and I wouldn't mind.

AnthonyCorona · Jul 11, 2015

JVHaste said:
Thinking back I remembered it being a snub, but now looking at the stats its very close. Berroa had a slightly better WAR, many more steals, triples, runs, slg% and 1 more homer while having the same avg.
My faded memory had Matsui hitting about 23hrs, but he only hit 16. If he had in the low 20s I think that would have put him over the hump... close vote.

Looking at the rest of the pack you could give it to Tex. as well and I wouldn't mind.

Im a Yankee fan so my memory is that Matsui had a fantastic year

goobmcnasty · Jul 12, 2015

I think 1996 was the worst in my lifetime... Bob Hamelin and Todd Hollandsworth

predatorkj · Jul 12, 2015

Dontrell was good for a while there. It's like his career just got off track somehow.

DeliciousBacon · Jul 12, 2015

2002 and 2004 were pretty weak as well. 2002 was Eric Hinske and Jason Jennings, both already out of the game after mediocre careers (Hinske at least made it over 10 seasons, Jennings barely made it 8, with a losing record and ERA of 5). 2004 was Jason Bay and Bobby Crosby, who, again, are both retired. Bay was a star for a bit, but Crosby was pretty much the definition of replacement value for his short career.

MrMet · Jul 12, 2015

predatorkj said:
Dontrell was good for a while there. It's like his career just got off track somehow.

Off the juice....

BiggioBrooks755 · Jul 12, 2015

Who was in 2001?

clarkzac · Jul 12, 2015

BiggioBrooks755 said:
Who was in 2001?

Ichiro and Pujols...

BiggioBrooks755 · Jul 13, 2015

Thanks

AnthonyCorona · Jul 13, 2015

clarkzac said:
Ichiro and Pujols...

Are those guys any good?

smapdi · Jul 13, 2015

I really never worry about ROY as it's just for the best player out of a small, subjective field. But it's fun to watch how the fields change from year to year, sometimes it's overloaded with good to great players and other years it's like you wonder if they really have to give it out every year. And it's also interesting to look back on the great players who were called up too late to really compete one year but still exceeded the limit. For instance, Frank Thomas had 60 games in 1990, but I guess Sandy Alomar playing pretty much a full, very solid season (132 games) was the clear choice.

predatorkj · Jul 14, 2015

MrMet said:
Off the juice....

He got popped?

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