300 million dollar payroll

AnthonyCorona · Aug 21, 2015

How can the Dodgers have the highest payroll in baseball history and have that bullpen? If they don't win the world series, and I doubt they will, does anyone lose their job? You can buy a division title but not a world series

Enfuego79 · Aug 21, 2015

AnthonyCorona said:
How can the Dodgers have the highest payroll in baseball history and have that bullpen? If they don't win the world series, and I doubt they will, does anyone lose their job? You can buy a division title but not a world series

who knows...

elmalo · Aug 21, 2015

1/2 of that payroll is going to 7 or 8 players

Super Mario · Aug 21, 2015

Clayton Kershaw's meltdown on the mound the other night epitomizes the entire Dodgers organization.

AnthonyCorona · Aug 21, 2015

elmalo said:
1/2 of that payroll is going to 7 or 8 players

And players not even on the team anymore

Super Mario · Aug 21, 2015

AnthonyCorona said:
And players not even on the team anymore

They are literally the Yankees of the 00's. Paying a ton of money to useless players and winning absolutely nothing.

AnthonyCorona · Aug 21, 2015

Super Mario said:
They are literally the Yankees of the 00's. Paying a ton of money to useless players and winning absolutely nothing.

Hey!!!! U don't need to bad mouth the Yankees!

Super Mario · Aug 21, 2015

AnthonyCorona said:
Hey!!!! U don't need to bad mouth the Yankees!

Not mouthing the Yankees at all. It's more of a slight against the Dodgers.

jszczech · Aug 21, 2015

Aren't they still paying a lot of money to people they just cut?

Super Mario · Aug 21, 2015

jszczech said:
Aren't they still paying a lot of money to people they just cut?

I think they've found some way to pay Bobby Bonilla until the year 2432.

RStadlerASU22 · Aug 22, 2015

I've really not heard many say bad things about their spending, but I def have been questioning it for a while. I somehow thing Magic is helping them get a pass because of the respect he has. When I look at the purchase price of the team (yes I know TV money), but when it was 500-700 million IIRC higher than the next highest bid, they have been spending wo much thought from the start.

Ryan

rsmath · Aug 22, 2015

AnthonyCorona said:
How can the Dodgers have the highest payroll in baseball history and have that bullpen?

Obviously some people in the Dodgers bullpen aren't performing to the stats the Dodger front office either projected for them or analyzed sabermetrically so they are being overpaid for underperforming.

If they don't win the world series, and I doubt they will, does anyone lose their job? You can buy a division title but not a world series

I don't think anyone in the front office will (since it's season 1 for most of them) but I do think the moves made in the last few days with coaches are to put a little heat on Mattingly's *** to perform better as a manager and I think Mattingly will be gone when the Dodgers fail to advance past the NLDS. The Dodgers performance against playoff caliber teams makes me think the Dodgers will make the playoffs but won't go to the NLCS.

David K. · Aug 22, 2015

Super Mario said:
They are literally the Yankees of the 00's. Paying a ton of money to useless players and winning absolutely nothing.

The season is not over yet! Best regards, David

BiggioBrooks755 · Aug 22, 2015

Last time I checked, the players got to start being accountable and start playing some ball...Not the managers fault

AnthonyCorona · Aug 22, 2015

BiggioBrooks755 said:
Last time I checked, the players got to start being accountable and start playing some ball...Not the managers fault

It doesn't work like that though. I think Don and Matty Williams get their walking papers soon

AnthonyCorona · Aug 22, 2015

This is pretty funny
http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-letters-20150822-story.html

Super Mario · Aug 22, 2015

AnthonyCorona said:
This is pretty funny
http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-letters-20150822-story.html

I know I sound like a stupid, whiny, spoiled brat Cardinals fan here, but if they don't win the World Series this year it won't be the players fault, or the managers fault.

It will be John Mozeliak's fault for not doing enough at the trade deadline to help the team where it needed help the most. And that's the offense. They added Brandon Moss, who sucks donkeys, but can play 1B and OF, so most fans are not throwing a fit about his acquisition. I am not one of them, I hate it.

They added Jonathon Broxton to the bullpen, and he is TERRIBLE. And they got Steve Cishek for the bullpen as well. My jury is still out on him.

Honestly, with all the injuries that the Cardinals have had to endure though this season, it is a wonder that they're doing so well. They really shouldn't be. I'm afraid that they're playing over their heads, and when the playoffs arrive they will exit early.

It'll be on Mo too, in my mind. He didn't do enough.

BiggioBrooks755 · Aug 23, 2015

AnthonyCorona said:
It doesn't work like that though. I think Don and Matty Williams get their walking papers soon

So if the players goes 0-4 with 3 strikeouts and the closer blows the save, and the batters is batting .204, thats the managers fault???

rsmath · Aug 23, 2015

BiggioBrooks755 said:
So if the players goes 0-4 with 3 strikeouts and the closer blows the save, and the batters is batting .204, thats the managers fault???

yes, a large percent is the managers fault. Maybe the manager is over-using or mis-using the bullpen in general. Maybe the 0x4, 3K player shouldn't be in the lineup just because of his name or reputation if there is someone who might get the job done on that given day. Maybe the closer should be removed from the closers role and let someone else try if the closer has been shaky or blowing a lot of saves in the previous few games. If a batter is batting .204, maybe the manager is not pulling the right string to motivate that player or maybe that player is a AAAA player and needs to go back to Triple-A if he has options to earn a chance to return to the big leagues after working on whatever needs worked on.

People write off the managers, I say managers have some things they can do to try to increase the odds of getting an athlete to perform to expectations or turn the outcome of the game to be favorable.

EDIT: wouldn't it be nice to come up with or have a sabermetric for manager's performance? For example, I wonder how many games the Cubs win (or lose) due to Maddon compared to if the Cubs had a different manager. i.e. Does Maddon's bullpen use, lineup personnel selection, lineup order selection, late game pinch-hitting/def replacement decision making win the Cubs more games than if someone else was managing or lose more games than if someone else was managing?

AnthonyCorona · Aug 23, 2015

rsmath said:
yes, a large percent is the managers fault. Maybe the manager is over-using or mis-using the bullpen in general. Maybe the 0x4, 3K player shouldn't be in the lineup just because of his name or reputation if there is someone who might get the job done on that given day. Maybe the closer should be removed from the closers role and let someone else try if the closer has been shaky or blowing a lot of saves in the previous few games. If a batter is batting .204, maybe the manager is not pulling the right string to motivate that player or maybe that player is a AAAA player and needs to go back to Triple-A if he has options to earn a chance to return to the big leagues after working on whatever needs worked on.

People write off the managers, I say managers have some things they can do to try to increase the odds of getting an athlete to perform to expectations or turn the outcome of the game to be favorable.

EDIT: wouldn't it be nice to come up with or have a sabermetric for manager's performance? For example, I wonder how many games the Cubs win (or lose) due to Maddon compared to if the Cubs had a different manager. i.e. Does Maddon's bullpen use, lineup personnel selection, lineup order selection, late game pinch-hitting/def replacement decision making win the Cubs more games than if someone else was managing or lose more games than if someone else was managing?

I think if managers had a WAR Bochy would lead it

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