93 Finest vs 93 Finest Refractor - Which Card is This? HELP

zlpeterson · Dec 14, 2015

I'm looking into purchasing this card, all I have is photos online to go from. Tough to tell for certain if it is the refractor, though I really think it is due to the coloring that appears at an angle. Thoughts FCB world?

WillBBC · Dec 14, 2015

It's not a Refractor. The color would be coming through other areas. (the green borders, the picture, you name it).

The angle you're referring to might just be the glare hitting the already colored area of the card.

Also--here's the card:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/KEN-GRIFFEY...471350?hash=item3ab87f91f6:g:BDAAAOSwbdpWXm2d

Not a Refractor.

zlpeterson · Dec 14, 2015

I know the card is also listed in Ebay and it's not indicated to be a refractor....but that doesn't mean that the seller knows that is going on.

Thanks for the clarification, not going to lie though. Looking at these angle photos and the photos from certified refractors I do not see the difference you are referring to. When I compare this to known non-refractors (that I have in my possession, in hand) this card certainly appears to be a refractor compared to those. I'll take your word.

bigunitcards · Dec 14, 2015

98% not. Usually if you can't tell if it's a refractor, it isnt.

jonebone · Dec 14, 2015

Not a refractor. You can tell from these photos but in hand it is night and day. I can't see any legitimate grader accidentally slabbing a refractor as a non-refractor.

zlpeterson · Dec 14, 2015

Got it, thanks guys. I've looked back at my refractors and non-refractors. The rainbow-ing in the green border is the biggest give away I can find.

gracecollector · Dec 14, 2015

Not a refractor. That triangular background border would be brighter. It's just a normal base reflecting some light at the angles being held.

BBCgalaxee · Dec 14, 2015

Without looking at the replies, it doesn't look like a refractor to me

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joey12508 · Dec 14, 2015

magicpapa · Dec 15, 2015

joey12508 said:

nice pic ya found there

agree, Not

brian26 · Dec 15, 2015

I've been thinking about this lately. The reason being, I saw four different refractors pop up over the past two weeks of a guy I collect. I just found that odd considering the set is 22 years old, and only 241 (?) copies of each card exist...

Would it at all be possible to fake or counterfeit these cards with an application on the surface that would create a refractor effect? I'm hoping the answer is absolutely not and this theory has been shot down before. I just find it odd that these cards keep coming out of the woodwork.

zlpeterson · Dec 15, 2015

It is pretty amazing the quantity that survived since 1993!!! and that's a good question. You can jump on Ebay or Comc at any point and find just about any player for sale in the '93 Refractor. Unfortunately as technology gets better so do the counterfeits.... :|

brian26 · Dec 15, 2015

Are you subscribing to me hairbrained theory that this is possible, especially considering no numbering/serial on the back?

RStadlerASU22 · Dec 15, 2015

zlpeterson said:
It is pretty amazing the quantity that survived since 1993!!! and that's a good question. You can jump on Ebay or Comc at any point and find just about any player for sale in the '93 Refractor. Unfortunately as technology gets better so do the counterfeits.... :|

What would be one reason that Refractors from and expensive pack in 1993 would not survive?

Ryan

zlpeterson · Dec 15, 2015

You do realize how many people that quite honestly didn't really give a sh*t about cards or knew squat about cards were receiving them for birthdays, christmas, you name it. 5 year olds, 10 year olds. Look at the cards, put them in spokes, toss them in a shoe box. Hell even people that thought they were "collectors" but didn't really know what they had. Pop a pack, good looking card, maybe penny sleeve it and toss it in a box. Yet all of these amazing quality refractors are still alive today after 22 years?

it's not impossible that a number of these are fakes and it's a reasonable question.

RStadlerASU22 · Dec 16, 2015

zlpeterson said:
You do realize how many people that quite honestly didn't really give a sh*t about cards or knew squat about cards were receiving them for birthdays, christmas, you name it. 5 year olds, 10 year olds. Look at the cards, put them in spokes, toss them in a shoe box. Hell even people that thought they were "collectors" but didn't really know what they had. Pop a pack, good looking card, maybe penny sleeve it and toss it in a box. Yet all of these amazing quality refractors are still alive today after 22 years?

it's not impossible that a number of these are fakes and it's a reasonable question.

If you were talking about 1993 Donruss cards with some inserts lying around lost in collection I'd get it, you are talking about the most premium set of 1993 that cost $$$ even back then and 8 year old kids weren't really buying these or getting Finest boxes for gifts. Your comparing 1993 Finest cards to random junk wax era items. Packs began at $4/pack and within a short period of time they were $15-25 and even reached higher. There was only 4000 cases of the product produced. A ton of product/refractors weren't "lost" or destroyed of 1993 Finest.

Ryan

zlpeterson · Dec 16, 2015

RStadlerASU22 said:
If you were talking about 1993 Donruss cards with some inserts lying around lost in collection I'd get it, you are talking about the most premium set of 1993 that cost $$$ even back then and 8 year old kids weren't really buying these or getting Finest boxes for gifts. Your comparing 1993 Finest cards to random junk wax era items. Packs began at $4/pack and within a short period of time they were $15-25 and even reached higher. There was only 4000 cases of the product produced. A ton of product/refractors weren't "lost" or destroyed of 1993 Finest.

Ryan

Your opinion.

magicpapa · Dec 16, 2015

jonebone · Dec 16, 2015

zlpeterson said:
You do realize how many people that quite honestly didn't really give a sh*t about cards or knew squat about cards were receiving them for birthdays, christmas, you name it. 5 year olds, 10 year olds. Look at the cards, put them in spokes, toss them in a shoe box. Hell even people that thought they were "collectors" but didn't really know what they had. Pop a pack, good looking card, maybe penny sleeve it and toss it in a box. Yet all of these amazing quality refractors are still alive today after 22 years?

it's not impossible that a number of these are fakes and it's a reasonable question.

Did you collect in the early 90s? I did and 1993 Finest had a rich kid vibe. I swear I remember card shows charging $20 a pack. This was a set priced too high for most kids and you'd be lucky to bust a handful of packs if that.

From day one, the refractors were crazy hard to find and any key player had an astronomical price tag. This isn't a set that you bought on a whim as a stocking stuffer for a kid. These packs were bought by hardcore collectors or dealers looking to make a profit.

There are some sets where counterfeits can be a legitimate concern, like 1991 Topps Desert Shield, but 1993 Finest Refractors is not one of those.

zlpeterson · Dec 16, 2015

jonebone said:
Did you collect in the early 90s? I did and 1993 Finest had a rich kid vibe. I swear I remember card shows charging $20 a pack. This was a set priced too high for most kids and you'd be lucky to bust a handful of packs if that.

From day one, the refractors were crazy hard to find and any key player had an astronomical price tag. This isn't a set that you bought on a whim as a stocking stuffer for a kid. These packs were bought by hardcore collectors or dealers looking to make a profit.

There are some sets where counterfeits can be a legitimate concern, like 1991 Topps Desert Shield, but 1993 Finest Refractors is not one of those.

Because why? Why, with all the technology in the world, can every other card possibly be counterfeit but a '93 Refractor couldn't be?

I have no idea if there are any counterfeit out there or there aren't, I've never ran across any. But for you to just claim that there's no way there are counterfeits out there is just naive.

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