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Groat said:The hit looked fine. Havlat got ROCKED though... looked like was out cold there for a few seconds.
plainwhitejerseys said:When you leave your skates and lead with the elbow and hit someone who doesn't have the puck, that's a dirty hit and an ejection. The ref did the right thing there, and Kronwall is lucky he wasn't suspended.
If it were just a matter of Kronwall hitting Havlat when Havlat didn't have the puck, it would have been a 2-minute interference call. Kronwall was ejected because he left his skates and led with the elbow.
Brad said:plainwhitejerseys said:When you leave your skates and lead with the elbow and hit someone who doesn't have the puck, that's a dirty hit and an ejection. The ref did the right thing there, and Kronwall is lucky he wasn't suspended.
If it were just a matter of Kronwall hitting Havlat when Havlat didn't have the puck, it would have been a 2-minute interference call. Kronwall was ejected because he left his skates and led with the elbow.
Havlat had the pick between his legs so he was playing the puck. Kronwall lead with his shoulder and only left his skates after the hit, and I think that was mainly to the fact that Havlat was off his skates as well.
Card Magnet said:Havlat was coming up the boards with the puck, and Kronwall was charging at him. At that fast pace, there's no way for him to know that Havlat wasn't controlling the pack, and it was still under him. So Kronwall hit him. I believe it was a clean hit that ended badly. The elbow only went forward because of momentum and the collision. Just mho.
Card Magnet said:Havlat was coming up the boards with the puck, and Kronwall was charging at him. At that fast pace, there's no way for him to know that Havlat wasn't controlling the pack, and it was still under him. So Kronwall hit him. I believe it was a clean hit that ended badly. The elbow only went forward because of momentum and the collision. Just mho.
If your arm is coming forward, momentum when your body stops will cause your arm to keep coming forward, and the way your upper body twists also moves your arm at the same time.plainwhitejerseys said:Card Magnet said:Havlat was coming up the boards with the puck, and Kronwall was charging at him. At that fast pace, there's no way for him to know that Havlat wasn't controlling the pack, and it was still under him. So Kronwall hit him. I believe it was a clean hit that ended badly. The elbow only went forward because of momentum and the collision. Just mho.
"Momentum" doesn't cause your elbow to come up and hit someone in the jaw.
His elbow came up because he jumped and threw his elbow up.
If he was just trying to lay into him with his shoulder, he wouldn't have lost his balance. He wouldn't have shifted his body weight higher in the first place. He would have gotten LOWER and bowled the guy over. He didn't do that. He jumped and led with his elbow because he wanted to knock Havlat out.
This doesn't come from a Hawks fan - I can't stand either team, I LOVE Kronwall and really can't stand Havlat. But there's no denying that it was a REALLY dirty hit, that Kronwall jumped and led with his elbow. He wanted to knock Havlat out of the game if not the series, and he ended up knocking both he and Havlat out of the game.
If your arm is coming forward, momentum when your body stops will cause your arm to keep coming forward, and the way your upper body twists also moves your arm at the same time.[/quote:1sycvlrl]Card Magnet said:plainwhitejerseys said:[quote="Card Magnet":1sycvlrl]Havlat was coming up the boards with the puck, and Kronwall was charging at him. At that fast pace, there's no way for him to know that Havlat wasn't controlling the pack, and it was still under him. So Kronwall hit him. I believe it was a clean hit that ended badly. The elbow only went forward because of momentum and the collision. Just mho.
"Momentum" doesn't cause your elbow to come up and hit someone in the jaw.
His elbow came up because he jumped and threw his elbow up.
If he was just trying to lay into him with his shoulder, he wouldn't have lost his balance. He wouldn't have shifted his body weight higher in the first place. He would have gotten LOWER and bowled the guy over. He didn't do that. He jumped and led with his elbow because he wanted to knock Havlat out.
This doesn't come from a Hawks fan - I can't stand either team, I LOVE Kronwall and really can't stand Havlat. But there's no denying that it was a REALLY dirty hit, that Kronwall jumped and led with his elbow. He wanted to knock Havlat out of the game if not the series, and he ended up knocking both he and Havlat out of the game.