Why does Fausto Carmona suck so much?

Austin · Jun 4, 2009

Today, Carmona let up 7 earned runs in only 2 innings.
He's now 2-6 with a 7.42 era with more walks than strikeouts.
Last year, he was 8-7 with a 5.45 era.
I thought after his 19-8, 3.06 era year of 2007 at age 23, he'd become a great pitcher.
Anyone have any theories why he's been terrible after his fantastic 2007 season?

craiger122003 · Jun 4, 2009

Well for strters you cant throw the ball in the same place over and over and expect to not get hit and he can't keep the ball down always high in the zone basically a meatball before in years past he had movement,hitting corners and nice break on the ball

jjj7880 · Jun 4, 2009

Indians need to call up Chuck Lofgren!

craiger122003 · Jun 5, 2009

Austin · Jun 5, 2009

I guess the Indians agree.
They just sent him to the minors, all the way down to Rookie ball.
Here's the story:
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4234785

Pine Tar · Jun 5, 2009

Wow and to think some of the people, here would have slept with him a few years ago! ::facepalm:: :lol:

wolfmanalfredo · Jun 5, 2009

Pine Tar said:
Wow and to think some of the people, here would have slept with him a few years ago! ::facepalm:: :lol:

Some people here DID sleep with him a few years ago.

Swine Flu

shephech · Jun 5, 2009

This post may be the best thing to happen to Fausto! Last time someone made this kinda of post "Why Does Justin Verlander Suck" and after that he has been on a tear!

Seriously though I credit the new tigers pitcher coach Rick Knapp....

thefasterblade · Jun 5, 2009

Supposedly, he is just not throwing hard enough. He had a great 2007 based off of his hard sinker, but without the velocity he was throwing, it has become quite soft and a lot easier to hit.

OhioBobcat3 · Jun 5, 2009

thefasterblade said:
Supposedly, he is just not throwing hard enough. He had a great 2007 based off of his hard sinker, but without the velocity he was throwing, it has become quite soft and a lot easier to hit.

Everything I've read / heard says that he's been trying to do too much after guys reach base, overthrowing the baseball as a result. A lot of his issues right now are between the ears, but it also doesn't help that the guy has come to spring training overweight for the past two years.

kdailey4315 · Jun 5, 2009

He got demoted all the way to ROOKIE BALL today. That's embarrassing.

Pine Tar · Jun 5, 2009

kdailey4315 said:
He got demoted all the way to ROOKIE BALL today. That's embarrassing.

::facepalm::

jbone17 · Jun 5, 2009

Ouch on the demotion. ::facepalm:: :?

XdanX · Jun 5, 2009

Hector Rondon ?

PronkDH48 · Jun 6, 2009

Fausto's only option was the ASL so hopefully he can get it together. Reminds me a lot of Dontrelle. Walks guys, putting runners on base, and with runners on base he really struggles. I really like Fausto and hopefully for the sake of him, my collection, and the Indians he can get it back together.

tribefan2427 · Jun 6, 2009

I thought he was going to get sent down to Akron or A ball.
But rookie ball ouch.

MacK · Jun 6, 2009

Fausto isn't a pitcher anymore, he's a thrower.

I personally think it's Carl Willis' coaching, but I know I'm probably way in the minority.

It always seems like Fausto is absolutely dominant, then pulls a complete 180 and absolutely stinks. Perhaps if he just had proper coaching things would be different.

Trade him to the Cardinals and Dave Duncan will take care of him.

As for rookie ball, it's really no different than any other minor league. Dontrelle was sent there earlier in the year.

Bornagaincollector · Jun 6, 2009

I agree about Carl Willis,this guy doesn't have a clue.Him & Wedge both should be gone.Fausto is still young and should bounce back to be a decent pitcher,but i don't think we will ever see the 07 Carmona.

OhioBobcat3 · Jun 6, 2009

Skorris CCBC said:
Fausto isn't a pitcher anymore, he's a thrower.

I personally think it's Carl Willis' coaching, but I know I'm probably way in the minority.

It always seems like Fausto is absolutely dominant, then pulls a complete 180 and absolutely stinks. Perhaps if he just had proper coaching things would be different.

Trade him to the Cardinals and Dave Duncan will take care of him.

As for rookie ball, it's really no different than any other minor league. Dontrelle was sent there earlier in the year.

I read an article this morning where Willis basically says that Carmona looks great in bullpen sessions and seems to have everything perfect and ready to go. The frustrating thing for Willis is that when Fausto starts he can't replicate it. I really think the majority of this is mental, and that's one thing that the Indians have already planned to work with him on in rookie ball.

I really don't think it's the pitching coach in this situation. I have mixed feelings about Willis, but he's not inept. Now Wedge on the other hand.....

trademhigh · Jun 6, 2009

OhioBobcat3 said:
Skorris CCBC said:

Fausto isn't a pitcher anymore, he's a thrower.

I personally think it's Carl Willis' coaching, but I know I'm probably way in the minority.

It always seems like Fausto is absolutely dominant, then pulls a complete 180 and absolutely stinks. Perhaps if he just had proper coaching things would be different.

Trade him to the Cardinals and Dave Duncan will take care of him.

As for rookie ball, it's really no different than any other minor league. Dontrelle was sent there earlier in the year.

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I read an article this morning where Willis basically says that Carmona looks great in bullpen sessions and seems to have everything perfect and ready to go. The frustrating thing for Willis is that when Fausto starts he can't replicate it. I really think the majority of this is mental, and that's one thing that the Indians have already planned to work with him on in rookie ball.

I really don't think it's the pitching coach in this situation. I have mixed feelings about Willis, but he's not inept. Now Wedge on the other hand.....

I see where they are coming from, but if you have been pitching in the majors for a couple years, how could it possibly help your mental state when you are demoted all the way to rookie ball?

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