How long before people realize that the NL west isn't weak

Rickzcards · Jul 5, 2009

Still not sure why everyone thinks that the NL west is a weak division. Lets see, the Dodgers have the best record in the majors with a 51-30 record and are the only team with 50 wins. The Giants have a 44-36 record which is better than any team in the NL east and they would be in the lead in the central also over the Cardinals. And the Rockies would be right there with the leaders in the other divisions having 2 wins less than the Giants.

MOFNY · Jul 5, 2009

In the NL it seems to shift every year. It's a close race in the Central which is fun.

darocker80 · Jul 5, 2009

Giants have second best record in the NL with the rockies 2 games back along with the cards/brewers (1-2 games back).

NL west is the east in the AL?

nkdbacks · Jul 5, 2009

Agreed, and I mentioned this in a post a week or so ago, but individually, they have some great players as well, especially the pitching staffs. I would take a staff filled with Haren, Webb, Lincecum, Cain, Billingsley, Kershaw, Peavy, etc. any day of the week.

Obviously a couple of those guys are injured at the moment, but based on past performance, I will still take them.

darocker80 · Jul 5, 2009

nkdbacks said:
Agreed, and I mentioned this in a post a week or so ago, but individually, they have some great players as well, especially the pitching staffs. I would take a staff filled with Haren, Webb, Lincecum, Cain, Billingsley, Kershaw, Peavy, etc. any day of the week.

Obviously a couple of those guys are injured at the moment, but based on past performance, I will still take them.

yup, look at the NL All star SP

Lincecum, Cain, Haren, Billingsley, Broxton, Bell, Marquis

Edit: Giants have the best SP in MLB, #1 in era

Pine Tar · Jul 5, 2009

MOFNY said:
In the NL it seems to shift every year. It's a close race in the Central which is fun.

The Central is weak and the close race is not fun. I'm a Cubs fan but I think the cards will win the division.

MOFNY · Jul 5, 2009

Pine Tar said:
MOFNY said:

In the NL it seems to shift every year. It's a close race in the Central which is fun.

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The Central is weak and the close race is not fun. I'm a Cubs fan but I think the cards will win the division.

For me it is...the stros probably won't go anywhere, so the next best thing is a tight race.

nkdbacks · Jul 5, 2009

darocker80 said:
nkdbacks said:

Agreed, and I mentioned this in a post a week or so ago, but individually, they have some great players as well, especially the pitching staffs. I would take a staff filled with Haren, Webb, Lincecum, Cain, Billingsley, Kershaw, Peavy, etc. any day of the week.

Obviously a couple of those guys are injured at the moment, but based on past performance, I will still take them.

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yup, look at the NL All star SP

Lincecum, Cain, Haren, Billingsley, Broxton, Bell, Marquis

Edit: Giants have the best SP in MLB, #1 in era

#2 in ERA I believe

Though I suppose that could still change. But right now, 2.16 vs. 2.23.

darocker80 · Jul 5, 2009

nkdbacks said:
darocker80 said:

nkdbacks said:

Agreed, and I mentioned this in a post a week or so ago, but individually, they have some great players as well, especially the pitching staffs. I would take a staff filled with Haren, Webb, Lincecum, Cain, Billingsley, Kershaw, Peavy, etc. any day of the week.

Obviously a couple of those guys are injured at the moment, but based on past performance, I will still take them.

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yup, look at the NL All star SP

Lincecum, Cain, Haren, Billingsley, Broxton, Bell, Marquis

Edit: Giants have the best SP in MLB, #1 in era

Click to expand...

#2 in ERA I believe Though I suppose that could still change. But right now, 2.16 vs. 2.23.

The entire staff, not our aces

yes i know haren is a bit better than lincecum's right now, grr lol

cmon rockies where did your offense go against haren

nkdbacks · Jul 5, 2009

darocker80 said:
nkdbacks said:

darocker80 said:

nkdbacks said:

Agreed, and I mentioned this in a post a week or so ago, but individually, they have some great players as well, especially the pitching staffs. I would take a staff filled with Haren, Webb, Lincecum, Cain, Billingsley, Kershaw, Peavy, etc. any day of the week.

Obviously a couple of those guys are injured at the moment, but based on past performance, I will still take them.

Click to expand...

yup, look at the NL All star SP

Lincecum, Cain, Haren, Billingsley, Broxton, Bell, Marquis

Edit: Giants have the best SP in MLB, #1 in era

Click to expand...

#2 in ERA I believe Though I suppose that could still change. But right now, 2.16 vs. 2.23.

Click to expand...

The entire staff, not our aces

yes i know haren is a bit better than lincecum's right now, grr lol

cmon rockies where did your offense go against haren

Okay I got you. Yes, Cain and Lincecum, can't go wrong there! Haren should be winning. only 1 ER. bleh whatever. Made it to the ASG, so even if he doesn't get the start, still happy.

darocker80 · Jul 5, 2009

nkdbacks said:
darocker80 said:

nkdbacks said:

darocker80 said:

nkdbacks said:

Agreed, and I mentioned this in a post a week or so ago, but individually, they have some great players as well, especially the pitching staffs. I would take a staff filled with Haren, Webb, Lincecum, Cain, Billingsley, Kershaw, Peavy, etc. any day of the week.

Obviously a couple of those guys are injured at the moment, but based on past performance, I will still take them.

Click to expand...

yup, look at the NL All star SP

Lincecum, Cain, Haren, Billingsley, Broxton, Bell, Marquis

Edit: Giants have the best SP in MLB, #1 in era

Click to expand...

#2 in ERA I believe Though I suppose that could still change. But right now, 2.16 vs. 2.23.

Click to expand...

The entire staff, not our aces

yes i know haren is a bit better than lincecum's right now, grr lol

cmon rockies where did your offense go against haren

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Okay I got you. Yes, Cain and Lincecum, can't go wrong there! Haren should be winning. only 1 ER. bleh whatever. Made it to the ASG, so even if he doesn't get the start, still happy.

Its gonna be a tight race for the CY between the three of them!!!

I would LOVE for lincecum to repeat, but haren's whip is very impressive!

MOFNY · Jul 5, 2009

Still not giving Haren his due eh. His stats are unreal, especially on this team. A bit off today, but his K/BB will only increase. Plus the DBacks have taken the lead.

darocker80 · Jul 5, 2009

MOFNY said:
Still not giving Haren his due eh. His stats are unreal, especially on this team. A bit off today, but his K/BB will only increase. Plus the DBacks have taken the lead.

How many pitches did he throw, how is he out already?

predatorkj · Jul 5, 2009

Because it is.Just see the playoff records of NL West teams versus those of Nl East and Central teams.They may have good records but when it comes to nut cuttin' time...nada.

Rickzcards · Jul 5, 2009

predatorkj said:
Because it is.Just see the playoff records of NL West teams versus those of Nl East and Central teams.They may have good records but when it comes to nut cuttin' time...nada.

This post in addition to the other one you made are the first and dumbest posts I've seen from you. The Dodgers not only beat the Cubs, a "stronger" Central team, but they swept them last year. Before the playoffs everyone was practically handing the Cubs the crown. You have not only a weak but stupid argument.

Tomlinson21RB · Jul 5, 2009

Rickzcards said:
predatorkj said:

Because it is.Just see the playoff records of NL West teams versus those of Nl East and Central teams.They may have good records but when it comes to nut cuttin' time...nada.

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This post in addition to the other one you made are the first and dumbest posts I've seen from you. The Dodgers not only beat the Cubs, a "stronger" Central team, but they swept them last year. Before the playoffs everyone was practically handing the Cubs the crown. You have not only a weak but stupid argument.

The Dodgers deserve the respect you're talking about, but the rest of that division is weak.

kdailey4315 · Jul 5, 2009

Tomlinson21RB said:
Rickzcards said:

predatorkj said:

Because it is.Just see the playoff records of NL West teams versus those of Nl East and Central teams.They may have good records but when it comes to nut cuttin' time...nada.

Click to expand...

This post in addition to the other one you made are the first and dumbest posts I've seen from you. The Dodgers not only beat the Cubs, a "stronger" Central team, but they swept them last year. Before the playoffs everyone was practically handing the Cubs the crown. You have not only a weak but stupid argument.

Click to expand...

The Dodgers deserve the respect you're talking about, but the rest of that division is weak.

How can you say that? The Giants and the Dodgers would be winning the East right now. Please back up your uninformed opinion with some reason and or facts.

Tomlinson21RB · Jul 5, 2009

kdailey4315 said:
Tomlinson21RB said:

Rickzcards said:

predatorkj said:

Because it is.Just see the playoff records of NL West teams versus those of Nl East and Central teams.They may have good records but when it comes to nut cuttin' time...nada.

Click to expand...

This post in addition to the other one you made are the first and dumbest posts I've seen from you. The Dodgers not only beat the Cubs, a "stronger" Central team, but they swept them last year. Before the playoffs everyone was practically handing the Cubs the crown. You have not only a weak but stupid argument.

Click to expand...

The Dodgers deserve the respect you're talking about, but the rest of that division is weak.

Click to expand...

How can you say that? The Giants and the Dodgers would be winning the East right now. Please back up your uninformed opinion with some reason and or facts.

I also think the rest of the NL is weak too, so winning the NL East doesn't mean much to me either. The other thing is, talking about records doesn't matter. Basically what you're saying is that because a triple A team had more wins than a major league team then we should think the triple A team is better? How many wins would the Yankees, Red Sox, or Rays have if they played in the NL West? Instead they play each other, the Jays, and O's.

kdailey4315 · Jul 5, 2009

Tomlinson21RB said:
kdailey4315 said:

Tomlinson21RB said:

Rickzcards said:

predatorkj said:

Because it is.Just see the playoff records of NL West teams versus those of Nl East and Central teams.They may have good records but when it comes to nut cuttin' time...nada.

Click to expand...

This post in addition to the other one you made are the first and dumbest posts I've seen from you. The Dodgers not only beat the Cubs, a "stronger" Central team, but they swept them last year. Before the playoffs everyone was practically handing the Cubs the crown. You have not only a weak but stupid argument.

Click to expand...

The Dodgers deserve the respect you're talking about, but the rest of that division is weak.

Click to expand...

How can you say that? The Giants and the Dodgers would be winning the East right now. Please back up your uninformed opinion with some reason and or facts.

Click to expand...

I also think the rest of the NL is weak too, so winning the NL East doesn't mean much to me either. The other thing is, talking about records doesn't matter. Basically what you're saying is that because a triple A team had more wins than a major league team then we should think the triple A team is better? How many wins would the Yankees, Red Sox, or Rays have if they played in the NL West? Instead they play each other, the Jays, and O's.

So if wins/records don't matter then how do you propose we decide who's better and who makes the playoffs? Do you honestly think a win/loss record doesn't matter.

Tomlinson21RB · Jul 5, 2009

kdailey4315 said:
Tomlinson21RB said:

kdailey4315 said:

Tomlinson21RB said:

Rickzcards said:

[quote="predatorkj":1mjtig53]Because it is.Just see the playoff records of NL West teams versus those of Nl East and Central teams.They may have good records but when it comes to nut cuttin' time...nada.

Click to expand...

This post in addition to the other one you made are the first and dumbest posts I've seen from you. The Dodgers not only beat the Cubs, a "stronger" Central team, but they swept them last year. Before the playoffs everyone was practically handing the Cubs the crown. You have not only a weak but stupid argument.

Click to expand...

The Dodgers deserve the respect you're talking about, but the rest of that division is weak.

Click to expand...

How can you say that? The Giants and the Dodgers would be winning the East right now. Please back up your uninformed opinion with some reason and or facts.

Click to expand...

I also think the rest of the NL is weak too, so winning the NL East doesn't mean much to me either. The other thing is, talking about records doesn't matter. Basically what you're saying is that because a triple A team had more wins than a major league team then we should think the triple A team is better? How many wins would the Yankees, Red Sox, or Rays have if they played in the NL West? Instead they play each other, the Jays, and O's.

So if wins/records don't matter then how do you propose we decide who's better and who makes the playoffs? Do you honestly think a win/loss record doesn't matter.[/quote:1mjtig53]

Sorry, I guess I typed that assuming there would be some critical thinking done instead of scan and react. Of course the teams record matters in determining playoffs and rankings, but using it to say how strong a team is doesn't make sense if used as the only measure of strength. There are too many factors that go in to the W/L record and to isolate it without considering strength of schedule, strength of division, luck, injuries, etc...

The Durham bulls have the same number of wins as the New York Yankees. Are those two teams equals? I think the yankees would probably beat them easily, but I'm obviously uninformed and can't look at facts.

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