How many 1997 Finest Embossed Gold Refractors are there

sportscardtheory · Aug 5, 2009

In Series One, they are 1 of 25 players per 1,152 packs on average. So at 1 in 28,800 packs (per player), that's 1 in every 1,200 boxes, if they were 12 box cases, that's 1 in every 100 cases (per player). How many cases were made of Series One? Anyone have any idea? These could be more scarce than people think if the case amount is low. One player out of the 25 in every 100 or so cases... yikes.

Philip J. Fry · Aug 5, 2009

Not sure, but the 1995-1996 Gold Refractors for basketball had an announced run by Topps of 150 copies. Sure, that's 2 years before the baseball version, but it's something to go by at least. BTW, I got this info from the January 2008 Beckett baseball that I found lying around here.

sportscardtheory · Aug 5, 2009

Philip J. Fry said:
Not sure, but the 1995-1996 Gold Refractors for basketball had an announced run by Topps of 150 copies. Sure, that's 2 years before the baseball version, but it's something to go by at least. BTW, I got this info from the January 2008 Beckett baseball that I found lying around here.

The Embossed Gold Refractors are WAY more rare than the regular Gold Refractors. I would love to know how many exist.

blitzerlover · Aug 5, 2009

Crazy odds to get one of these, they are really, really nice in hand.

uniquebaseballcards · Aug 5, 2009

Topps made a TON of Finest that year. I'd like to think somewhere between 40-66 copies of each card.

EDIT: Doesn't George Calfas have a set of these - I think he believes there are fewer copies than I do.

Philip J. Fry · Aug 5, 2009

sportscardtheory said:
Philip J. Fry said:

Not sure, but the 1995-1996 Gold Refractors for basketball had an announced run by Topps of 150 copies. Sure, that's 2 years before the baseball version, but it's something to go by at least. BTW, I got this info from the January 2008 Beckett baseball that I found lying around here.

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The Embossed Gold Refractors are WAY more rare than the regular Gold Refractors. I would love to know how many exist.

I know, I was just giving stats on the regular gold refractor. I would estimate the embossed at 1/3 the print run, or 50 copies.

blitzerlover · Aug 5, 2009

I'd guess a little higher, around 75-100. I've seen 4 different copies of the Smoltz in the past 2 years.

thenumberonemetfan · Aug 5, 2009

blitzerlover said:
I'd guess a little higher, around 75-100. I've seen 4 different copies of the Smoltz in the past 2 years.

2 of which were pulled by the same person :shock:

theplasticman · Aug 5, 2009

You never see these. When they came out, they were very tough to find then. I'd "guess" maybe 50 or so.

Philip J. Fry · Aug 5, 2009

thenumberonemetfan said:
blitzerlover said:

I'd guess a little higher, around 75-100. I've seen 4 different copies of the Smoltz in the past 2 years.

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2 of which were pulled by the same person :shock:

Wasn't it like 10 years apart also? Talk about odds...

Fandruw25 · Aug 5, 2009

blitzerlover said:
I'd guess a little higher, around 75-100. I've seen 4 different copies of the Smoltz in the past 2 years.

I wouldn't bet that high. In ten years I've only seen 3 Andruw Jones, 2 of which surfaced in 05 when he should have been MVP.

Be8el0ve · Aug 5, 2009

How many of these exist???

1997 Topps Finest - Gold Test Uncut, Unembossed Atomic Refractor

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Philip J. Fry · Aug 5, 2009

Be8el0ve said:
How many of these exist???

1997 Topps Finest - Gold Test Uncut, Unembossed Atomic Refractor

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I remember the post about that card. Very nice!

uniquebaseballcards · Aug 5, 2009

I had a Bagwell one of these. It was terribly cut, the person I got it from said it came from an uncut sheet, not a test.

Be8el0ve said:
How many of these exist???

1997 Topps Finest - Gold Test Uncut, Unembossed Atomic Refractor

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Resident Bay Fan · Aug 5, 2009

This is the only Piazza I've ever seen. I think it's the only 9.5 also.

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Art

sportscardtheory · Aug 5, 2009

If there are 50 each, that would mean there were around 5,000 cases produced. Did they make that much of this "high end" stuff? There were only 4,950 cases made of 1995 Select.

uniquebaseballcards · Aug 5, 2009

You can still find boxes, there are even some on eBay now. For years packs were inserted into those value boxes at Kmart and Walmart...funny to think somebody without hobby knowledge picking some of these up.

sportscardtheory said:
If there were 50 each, that would mean there were around 5,000 cases produced. Did they make that much of this "high end" stuff?

MOFNY · Aug 5, 2009

Philip J. Fry said:
thenumberonemetfan said:

blitzerlover said:

I'd guess a little higher, around 75-100. I've seen 4 different copies of the Smoltz in the past 2 years.

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2 of which were pulled by the same person :shock:

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Wasn't it like 10 years apart also? Talk about odds...

Ye that was me. Pulled the first in 1997, and the second in 2008.

George_Calfas · Aug 5, 2009

appox 37 is the print run for the 1997 Gold Embossed Die Cut Refractors. I know of 6 complete sets. Unique and I have talk about these in the past, one of the nicest sets of the 90s.

sportscardtheory · Aug 5, 2009

George_Calfas said:
appox 37 is the print run for the 1997 Gold Embossed Die Cut Refractors. I know of 6 complete sets. Unique and I have talk about these in the past, one of the nicest sets of the 90s.

How did you come to that number? Is it the same for football?

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