Fake Pujols Triple Threads Autos - From CU Boards

mudflap02 · Oct 29, 2009

http://forums.collectors.com/messageview.cfm?catid=11&threadid=746016&STARTPAGE=1

This guy considers himself an expert on Pujols autographs - I honestly believe that he is. He really knows a lot about this one player's sig in particular through the years. I think this latest allegation that he's making is ridiculous. I don't see the advantage of peeling off a Pujols sticker auto and replacing it with a fake Pujols sticker, especially on a 1/1 card. Just wanted to post it here in case anyone missed it over there.

hive17 · Oct 29, 2009

I didn't read the responses on that board, but what could the rationale be for pulling a sticker from what was potentially a $300-$400 card when there are "realatively" cheaper Pujols autos to rob from?

I don't know what's going on with those stickers, but "Altering" doesn't seem to be it. Doesn't pass the sniff test.

ffgameman · Oct 29, 2009

I have no clue why someone would ruin such a good card(s)....but the stickers and autographs definitely look off on each one of those cards.

HPC · Oct 29, 2009

Just because they look "off" isnt enough to deter myself, or most buyers

Especially on sticker autos

The logic behind switching stickers on a 1/1 card makes no sense. Besides, it is more than likely that he signed them in a hurry

Just because the top line of the "A" doesnt match 99% of every other auto doesnt mean it's fake.

cgilmo · Oct 29, 2009

that guy is far from an expert

the sigs may be fakes, but that guy isn't an expert

ffgameman · Oct 29, 2009

What gets me more than anything is the different look to the sticker and thicker pen....but almost every 09 TTT Pujols on eBay looks like that.

justinmandawg · Oct 29, 2009

Stanthemanmusial is a *********.

mudflap02 · Oct 29, 2009

Maybe the stickers are just from different batches of blank stickers to begin with? I know a lot of the UD Ultimate autos mixed some of their "old style" stickers with newer ones. Who's to say the same thing isn't happening here with the Topps stickers?

Can;t post a pic of it, but see this auction for an example.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Gagne-Nathan-Pa...ZViewItemQQptZUS_Baseball?hash=item438ee65d6b

scotty21690 · Oct 29, 2009

Stanthemanmusial ::facepalm::

JoshHamilton · Oct 29, 2009

First off, that guy is a *******. He is not an expert by any means

Second, the Pujols auto is legit. My friend pulled a Pujols/Howard/Arod (or some such combo) two days ago. Pujols signed on clear non silver stickers using a different pen. The autos are nearly identical. Topps probably had him sign stickers long ago for a different product and had leftovers. Don't believe me? Check eBay. Most or all 09 TT pujols sigs are like this

This is just another example of STMM being a *********

ffgameman · Oct 29, 2009

No way there would be that many fakes already from a newly released product....especially when the cards were authentic from the pack.

Sly · Oct 29, 2009

Why has no one bothered to stop and think...maybe Pujols just isn't consistant with his signature, especially if he's sitting down and signing hundreds or thousands at one time?

I mean really, sit down and sign your name that many times and see if it is always consistant. I know mine's not. Hell, the "J" in my first name is different occassionally, it's just how it works.

Now I'm not saying these are fake or legit, cause I am far from a Pujols auto expert, but to suggest that all these fakes are coming from Topps is opening a HUGE can of worms, when in reality, it could just be that he's inconsistant with his auto.

smapdi · Oct 29, 2009

Yeah, I don't understand the poster's thought process there. Taking Pujols out of framed cards, putting them on other cards that presumably already have Pujols autos on there, and then putting the other stickers back onto the original cards with fake sigs? Something doesn't compute there.

The sigs do look odd, though. Inconsistent in many ways, lots of hesitations, they just don't look like the signature of someone who's signed his name many thousands of times, or at least dozens in one go as is likely with a sheet of stickers.

Topnotchsy · Oct 29, 2009

I know nothing about the specific cards, but I definitely agree that the auto's look far more like the fake Pujols Auto's I've seen (including those on 2001 Fleer Legacy cards) than any real one, and there are some characteristics on this that I have never seen on a Pujols Autograph.

gregbara · Oct 29, 2009

The one thing I do find odd is that in each of the Pujols stickers, the Topps Certified looks different than the rest. More than likely it was wiped with Acetone or Spirits to clean the old Auto off. You can also see in the first one that the sticker looks wrinkled.

gregbara · Oct 29, 2009

To the above poster...no one is suggesting that Topps is putting fakes out there.

Someone one is getting a cheap auto sticker, wiping off the auto, forging the Pujols, and then removing the real one, and applying the fake one.

ChasHawk · Oct 29, 2009

gregbara said:
To the above poster...no one is suggesting that Topps is putting fakes out there.

Someone one is getting a cheap auto sticker, wiping off the auto, forging the Pujols, and then removing the real one, and applying the fake one.

On every 2009 TTT Pujols card in all different parts of the country. And of course they have enlisted all manner of normally reputable sellers as well.

Has noone ever seen a Topps football auto? Topps has non reflective stickers.

All of the pompous windbaggery in STMM's thread is entirely preposterous. I now know why I have never bothered to visit other forums. I cannot believe there are not more people there calling him out on this.

mredsox89 · Oct 29, 2009

yea, there are Pujols autos like that listed by multiple sellers. I highly doubt they are being faked everywhere with the exact same stickers. More than likely Topps just used leftover Pujols stickers on the TTT autos. Should they have made them all the same, of course.

Sportsnutcards · Oct 29, 2009

I I just posted my final response on that thread. It amost seems pointless at this point to argue it further.

cgilmo · Oct 29, 2009

Sportsnutcards said:
I I just posted my final response on that thread. It amost seems pointless at this point to argue it further.

agree

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