Is the old rule of not prospecting a pitcher over.

Lifelongfan · Dec 14, 2008

I remember hearing over the years that speculating on pitchers was "a bad investment" - it seems like that notion is no longer true - or people just dont believe it anymore.

Thoughts...

AKA Coastal · Dec 14, 2008

Lifelongfan said:
I remember hearing over the years that speculating on pitchers was "a bad investment" - it seems like that notion is no longer true - or people just dont believe it anymore.

Thoughts...

People are realizing all it takes is a couple good games in the minor leagues to make a profit. They don't have to make to the big show and throw a no-no.

Messier2 · Dec 14, 2008

IMO, pitchers are short term investments and hitters are long term investments (for the most part).

Both can be very profitable if done right.

AKA Coastal · Dec 14, 2008

Messier2 said:
IMO, pitchers are short term investments and hitters are long term investments (for the most part).

Both can be very profitable if done right.

Yup, what he said.

All The Hype · Dec 14, 2008

I think pitchers are a lot more interesting to invest in because many of them are a lot more about projection. And I believe the high risk, high reward cliche is definitely true when it comes to pitchers too.

Weatherwarrior · Dec 14, 2008

I look at it as cheap is cheap if a pitcher is hot he is hot not that i won't go after hitters but 08 BDP is not full of huge bats this year like 07 was and i personally feel that since pitchers are considered a bad investment their prices are lower allowing for bigger returns if you pick the right guys. Take David price last year he was experiencing some arm trouble or soreness and his prices dipped a little and could be had for a little cheaper We all know how that story ended in October!

So pitchers are a bigger risk reward thing for me.

goblue6919 · Dec 14, 2008

I love prospecting pitchers.

One amazing game and you can make huge profits.

darocker80 · Dec 14, 2008

goblue6919 said:
I love prospecting pitchers.

One amazing game and you can make huge profits.

yup. David Price promotion to AAA made me a happy camper.

All The Hype · Dec 14, 2008

darocker80 said:
goblue6919 said:

I love prospecting pitchers.

One amazing game and you can make huge profits.

Click to expand...

yup. David Price promotion to AAA made me a happy camper.

I think overall his stuff was going for more then than when he hit the majors.

darocker80 · Dec 14, 2008

ALL_THE_HYPE said:
darocker80 said:

goblue6919 said:

I love prospecting pitchers.

One amazing game and you can make huge profits.

Click to expand...

yup. David Price promotion to AAA made me a happy camper.

Click to expand...

I think overall his stuff was going for more then than when he hit the majors.

Yeah. i sold his chrome auto for 65 and his donruss eee auto /50 for 200ish.

125 profit

Topnotchsy · Dec 14, 2008

I never believed in rules like those, general rules don't work when it comes to investing.

That said, it was a popular "mantra" a while back, which few still accept. As for whether people have started investing too heavily into pitchers....well that's a discussion for a different time.

nborton · Dec 14, 2008

Also, MILB pitchers stats can "appear" more impressive. While it takes a really awesome year in the minors to stir notice. For instance. A pitcher with a 2.00 ERA or lower will get a lot of buzz, while a hitter with 20ish HRs won't. To really equal a 2.00 ERA a guy would have to hit 40+ HRs with a good batting average, while being young too.

darocker80 · Dec 14, 2008

nborton said:
Also, MILB pitchers stats can "appear" more impressive. While it takes a really awesome year in the minors to stir notice. For instance. A pitcher with a 2.00 ERA or lower will get a lot of buzz, while a hitter with 20ish HRs won't. To really equal a 2.00 ERA a guy would have to hit 40+ HRs with a good batting average, while being young too.

That is true, look at what bumgarner's stats did to his cards!

markakis8 · Dec 14, 2008

Did anybody here prospect in Zach Duke? I bet they made a friggin' killing.

theplasticman · Dec 14, 2008

If I feel good about a guy it doesn't matter if he is a pitcher or not. I've always done pretty well with pitchers as I've managed to pick the right guys.

My first try with pitchers in 1997 I had:
*Kerry Wood
*Jon Garland
*Roy Halladay

I had about a $10,000 summer after Wood came up. 125+ Base Bowman, 45 Chrome, 30ish Bowman Best, several autos and a few refractors. I was excited to turn $2-3 per on my Chromes into $60-80

AKA Coastal · Dec 14, 2008

markakis8 said:
Did anybody here prospect in Zach Duke? I bet they made a friggin' killing.

I remeber Zach Dukes '04 Bowman Chrome Blue refractors on thepit.com. People were making a killing on him. Liriano and Carmona were my money makers. A few others were Daryl Thompson, Scott Mitchinson, Lester, Buchholz, John Maine, and Manny Parra.

muchuckwagon · Dec 14, 2008

P's can be frustrating....take a look at Trevor Cahill. The guy can't pitch any better and he projects well.....however, his cards are still sitting around the mid-20's.

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