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numba1yankeefan
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reached a preliminary agreement. didnt see it posted anywhere
max ramirez goes to the red sox
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Mike Lowell traded to the Rangers?!?!?
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craiger122003
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All depends on Lowells's physical he has some issues apparently
thefasterblade
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Rangers might be backing out now.
soxrchamps07
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Deal done pending aproval by Selig.
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Don't be shocked to see the Sox turn around and include Ramirez in a package for Halladay. Jays want a young and talented major league ready catcher, Ramirez fits the bill i think. Also, with Lowell traded this sets the stage for an Adrian Beltre Signing.
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Don't be shocked to see the Sox turn around and include Ramirez in a package for Halladay. Jays want a young and talented major league ready catcher, Ramirez fits the bill i think. Also, with Lowell traded this sets the stage for an Adrian Beltre Signing.
1st4040
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its definately a move to free up 3rd base for Youk full time and also to get younger.. Lowell is a Boston favorite but he is ageing and injuries are meaning lost time. Getting younger is never a bad thing. Now the Red Sox need to address first base.. unless they play Youk at first full time and trade for a third baseman..
either way props to Theo.. he brought Lowell in and he produced and he has to make that tough decision to ship him out which longterm will be good for the team. Too bad he's still stuck with a JD Drew nobody wants...
either way props to Theo.. he brought Lowell in and he produced and he has to make that tough decision to ship him out which longterm will be good for the team. Too bad he's still stuck with a JD Drew nobody wants...
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1st4040 said:
I disagree with most of your points. I do agree that this frees up 1B for a potential trade with Youk shifting to third. The Red Sox are stacked in the minors with young, projectible catching talent in Wagner, Exposito, Federowicz, and Lavernway, so flipping Ramirez as part of a big package to land Adrian Gonzalez or Miguel Cabrera seems logical. Also, Belte is the only decent 3B available in the current F/A market, and with what he is going to command, there is no way that the Sox sign him. Second, Theo did not bring Lowell in. The Beckett/Lowell for Hanley/Sanchez deal was completed while Theo was on hiatus. Many believe that the deal would have never been completed if Theo had been in control at the time. Third, I absolutely love the production that the Sox get from Drew. I appreciate having the second best RF in the AL playing for my team.
baseballguy350
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Jays_Cards said:
Psh, who actually looks at stats?
I agree with this move, and know that it welcomes a new Adrian to town. Now the question is, will it be Beltre, or Gonzalez.
I also think this clears the way for Buchholz, Ramirez, Rizzo + to get shipped to Toronto for Halladay.
baseballguy350
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MallCopKJ said:
From a defensive standpoint
Scutaro > Lugo/Green/Lowrie
Beltre >>> Lowell
The worst left side defense in the infield has been corrected.
And hey, if you listen to Scott Boras, Beltre is better offensively then Jason Bay. Takes one brass ball to say that.
ON a side note : Red Sox Acquire Boof Bonser.
The Red Sox acquired pitcher Boof Bonser, according to the pitcher's agency Reynolds Sports Management. Bonser was designated for assignment on Tuesday to make room for Carl Pavano. The 28-year-old had labrum and rotator cuff surgery in February. Bonser sports a 5.12 ERA, 7.3 K/9, and 2.9 BB/9 over 391.6 career innings spanning three seasons.
I added in here since its not really worthy of a thread on its own.
The Red Sox acquired pitcher Boof Bonser, according to the pitcher's agency Reynolds Sports Management. Bonser was designated for assignment on Tuesday to make room for Carl Pavano. The 28-year-old had labrum and rotator cuff surgery in February. Bonser sports a 5.12 ERA, 7.3 K/9, and 2.9 BB/9 over 391.6 career innings spanning three seasons.
I added in here since its not really worthy of a thread on its own.
baseballguy350 said:MallCopKJ said:
From a defensive standpoint
Scutaro > Lugo/Green/Lowrie
Beltre >>> Lowell
The worst left side defense in the infield has been corrected.
And hey, if you listen to Scott Boras, Beltre is better offensively then Jason Bay. Takes one brass ball to say that.
From a defensive standpoint they improve but I look at it as spending about $20-$21 million to get Adrian Beltre. They spend $9 mill to trade Lowell and I think its going to take $11-$12 mill/season to sign Beltre.
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Yeah, my mom is pretty devastated over this trade.
baseballguy350
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MallCopKJ said:baseballguy350 said:MallCopKJ said:
From a defensive standpoint
Scutaro > Lugo/Green/Lowrie
Beltre >>> Lowell
The worst left side defense in the infield has been corrected.
And hey, if you listen to Scott Boras, Beltre is better offensively then Jason Bay. Takes one brass ball to say that.
From a defensive standpoint they improve but I look at it as spending about $20-$21 million to get Adrian Beltre. They spend $9 mill to trade Lowell and I think its going to take $11-$12 mill/season to sign Beltre.
And the way I look at it, the Sox paying $9 mm of Lowell's salary, is like adding $9 mm to a Halladay/A-Gon deal, assuming Ramirez, or one of the other Sox catching prospects (Expo) who now has a replacement is traded.
mredsox89
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baseballguy350 said:MallCopKJ said:baseballguy350 said:MallCopKJ said:
From a defensive standpoint
Scutaro > Lugo/Green/Lowrie
Beltre >>> Lowell
The worst left side defense in the infield has been corrected.
And hey, if you listen to Scott Boras, Beltre is better offensively then Jason Bay. Takes one brass ball to say that.
From a defensive standpoint they improve but I look at it as spending about $20-$21 million to get Adrian Beltre. They spend $9 mill to trade Lowell and I think its going to take $11-$12 mill/season to sign Beltre.
And the way I look at it, the Sox paying $9 mm of Lowell's salary, is like adding $9 mm to a Halladay/A-Gon deal, assuming Ramirez, or one of the other Sox catching prospects (Expo) who now has a replacement is traded.
This deal is a pre-cursor to another move no matter which way you view it. Either the sox will sign Beltre to play 3rd, Nick Johnson to play 1st with Youk going to third, a deal for Adrian Gonzalez with Youk at 3rd, or a deal for Halladay with a replacement guy going to 3rd. I wonder how long Max Ramirez stays in the sox system. I can't imagine they view Ramirez as their catcher of the future, as they are bound to hit at least one average player with the rest of the catchers in the system.
If Beltre does end up being the answer at 3rd, the left side of the defense could end up going from one of the worst in baseball to one of the best with Scutaro and Beltre
baseballguy350
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Andy Marte was on the Sox roster for exactly 49 days.... Ramirez will be on the roster for less total days. Take that to the bank.mredsox89 said:
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baseballguy350 said:
I'd set the over under on 30 days, and would probably bet the under. The sox basically just paid 9 million for Ramirez to flip him in another deal. From the outside it might seem crazy, but if getting that catcher to put in the deal seals it for either Halladay or Gonzalez it would be well worth it. A lot of people think Ramirez was acquired in an attempt to help Toronto's desire for Montero in a Halladay deal
Bosox3 said:ON a side note : Red Sox Acquire Boof Bonser.
The Red Sox acquired pitcher Boof Bonser, according to the pitcher's agency Reynolds Sports Management. Bonser was designated for assignment on Tuesday to make room for Carl Pavano. The 28-year-old had labrum and rotator cuff surgery in February. Bonser sports a 5.12 ERA, 7.3 K/9, and 2.9 BB/9 over 391.6 career innings spanning three seasons.
I added in here since its not really worthy of a thread on its own.
Sucks that not one, but now TWO guys I know well play for the damn Sox
