Wow! First Bad Experience With Trading

goldenegg1 · Dec 15, 2009

So I post how I pulled the Raul Ibanez Heritage Red Auto Redemption on here and another board.
And a guy from the other board asks me if I am selling it. I tell him, "Sure! $30 (thats what they sell for on ebay.)"
He tells me no problem, he will paypal me when he gets the card.
So, I am supposed to send him a redemption card and wait to see if he paypals me the money?
Now granted, he has a 71 positive trader rating on this other site while I am relatively new to the site (I've been a member for over a year), but I also have 961 transactions on ebay with a 100% positive rating.
Am I wrong here for expecting him to send the money first?
I have no problem sending cards out for trade, but to me this is different.
I am interested in your thoughts.

asmsportscards · Dec 15, 2009

he needs to send money first!

mredsox89 · Dec 15, 2009

Under no circumstances should you send a card before receiving payment.

Great Dealz Rob · Dec 15, 2009

It's a redemption. Have him pay via a gift and then email him the redemption code. No shipping or fees. Win win for everyone.

jeff550 · Dec 15, 2009

do it like ebay and have him pay first

Huffamaniac · Dec 15, 2009

I agree money needs to be sent first. he is protected by paypal

goldenegg1 · Dec 15, 2009

Great Dealz Rob said:
It's a redemption. Have him pay via a gift and then email him the redemption code. No shipping or fees. Win win for everyone.

Tried that, he wants the card and not just the redemption code, which should have been a red flag from the beginning.

Huffamaniac · Dec 15, 2009

I would not say that is a red flag. Some people like to also have the redemption card. I have sold redemptions on EBAY in which the buyer requested I email him the code and als send him out the redemption card. I found it strange but was happy to do it

goldenegg1 said:
Great Dealz Rob said:

It's a redemption. Have him pay via a gift and then email him the redemption code. No shipping or fees. Win win for everyone.

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Tried that, he wants the card and not just the redemption code, which should have been a red flag from the beginning.

goldenegg1 · Dec 15, 2009

Huffamaniac said:
I would not say that is a red flag. Some people like to also have the redemption card. I have sold redemptions on EBAY in which the buyer requested I email him the code and als send him out the redemption card. I found it strange but was happy to do it

goldenegg1 said:

Great Dealz Rob said:

It's a redemption. Have him pay via a gift and then email him the redemption code. No shipping or fees. Win win for everyone.

Click to expand...

Tried that, he wants the card and not just the redemption code, which should have been a red flag from the beginning.

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I understand that completely, I would be more than happy to do that, just pay me first.

Huffamaniac · Dec 15, 2009

I agree 100%. I would not do the deal until I had the mnoey in hand. As i stated the buyer is protected by paypal as long as he does not send it as a gift.

goldenegg1 said:
Huffamaniac said:

I would not say that is a red flag. Some people like to also have the redemption card. I have sold redemptions on EBAY in which the buyer requested I email him the code and als send him out the redemption card. I found it strange but was happy to do it

goldenegg1 said:

Great Dealz Rob said:

It's a redemption. Have him pay via a gift and then email him the redemption code. No shipping or fees. Win win for everyone.

Click to expand...

Tried that, he wants the card and not just the redemption code, which should have been a red flag from the beginning.

Click to expand...

Click to expand...

I understand that completely, I would be more than happy to do that, just pay me first.

rainmanesq · Dec 15, 2009

No $, no card. No matter how trustworthy someone appears, sometimes people go bad. Plus, if he bought it on ebay, he’d have to pay first.

BTW, if he sends payment as a “gift,” he is NOT protected by paypal…just a heads up for people who are doing that.

lkk116 · Dec 15, 2009

yeah anytime i buy something in life... i have to pay first then i get to keep the item

MacK · Dec 15, 2009

I'm guessing you have the MSF rule applied on you?

Therefore, you have to send first..

ffgameman · Dec 15, 2009

I would offer to send the card after money is received since that's general selling policy.

Generally it wouldn't be a "flag" but possibly just a wrong expectation by the potential buyer.

In no case would I send the card first unless I:

- was on some kind of restriction and was forced to
- I knew and trusted the member very much.

goldenegg1 · Dec 15, 2009

This is geting good guys!

Here is his response when I asked him how to cancel the trade:

I am not taking the time to figure out how to cancel the trade. Go ahead.You posted it you can figure it out. I would suggest not trying to sell on here anymore. You are trying to circumvent the system. I waited the required amount of times to ship first. And I expect that from someone else. It really doesnt matter if I initiated the deal. The site rules are in place for a reason.

And he has spoken to a mod and the trade is now in dispute instead of being cancelled!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

HPC · Dec 15, 2009

goldenegg1 said:
This is geting good guys!

Here is his response when I asked him how to cancel the trade:

I am not taking the time to figure out how to cancel the trade. Go ahead.You posted it you can figure it out. I would suggest not trying to sell on here anymore. You are trying to circumvent the system. I waited the required amount of times to ship first. And I expect that from someone else. It really doesnt matter if I initiated the deal. The site rules are in place for a reason.

And he has spoken to a mod and the trade is now in dispute instead of being cancelled!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ha.

Sounds like he was trying to scam you.

Just dont send at all. No one is forcing you to.

Its your card, and like everyone else says, you have to pay before you get your item

rainmanesq · Dec 15, 2009

What site is this on? Seems a little crazy. I can understand sending first rules for trades (assuming they’re low end- I’m not sending a $500 card first LOL), but for sales? Seems kind of wonky. Then again, I don’t trade/sell much outside of ebay. Despite the fees/other issues w/ebay, it’s far easier than dealing w/the wonkety wonk that can/often happens w/trades. hope it works out for you

mredsox89 · Dec 15, 2009

goldenegg1 said:
This is geting good guys!

Here is his response when I asked him how to cancel the trade:

I am not taking the time to figure out how to cancel the trade. Go ahead.You posted it you can figure it out. I would suggest not trying to sell on here anymore. You are trying to circumvent the system. I waited the required amount of times to ship first. And I expect that from someone else. It really doesnt matter if I initiated the deal. The site rules are in place for a reason.

And he has spoken to a mod and the trade is now in dispute instead of being cancelled!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

A sale is when a customer gives $ and then gets a product.

goldenegg1 · Dec 15, 2009

I'm guessing you have the MSF rule applied on you?

Therefore, you have to send first..

I do have that until you have 20 trades, but you can bring your feedback over from other sports card message boards sites, but not ebay.
To me that makes no sense.
So basically it means, if I hop on all these different sites and make a couple trades for some $1 cards, then I don't have to send first, but everything I've done on ebay since 1996 doesn't count for anything. That's amazing!

cgilmo · Dec 15, 2009

rainmanesq said:
What site is this on? Seems a little crazy. I can understand sending first rules for trades (assuming they’re low end- I’m not sending a $500 card first LOL), but for sales? Seems kind of wonky. Then again, I don’t trade/sell much outside of ebay. Despite the fees/other issues w/ebay, it’s far easier than dealing w/the wonkety wonk that can/often happens w/trades. hope it works out for you

If I had to guess, I would say sports card forum. They have some rules set in place that I think are goofy, but they swear by them.

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