Rick Porcello = Fausto Carmona part 2?

jbone17 said:

This is a pretty good point, but Porcello seems more polished. I think Rick is going to have another okay year, but there is no way that he will reach 17-20 wins like Carmona did that one year.

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natsprospects26 said:

jbone17 said:

This is a pretty good point, but Porcello seems more polished. I think Rick is going to have another okay year, but there is no way that he will reach 17-20 wins like Carmona did that one year.

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Agreed, I think Porcello will maintain better control. The data leads me to believe he'll pan out to be a solid above average pitcher, but not the star people are projecting him to be. Unless he can increase his strikeout rate(very possible with improved secondary pitches), I think I see him as a Jason Marquis/Derek Lowe type pitcher.

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jbone17 said:

natsprospects26 said:

jbone17 said:

This is a pretty good point, but Porcello seems more polished. I think Rick is going to have another okay year, but there is no way that he will reach 17-20 wins like Carmona did that one year.

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Agreed, I think Porcello will maintain better control. The data leads me to believe he'll pan out to be a solid above average pitcher, but not the star people are projecting him to be. Unless he can increase his strikeout rate(very possible with improved secondary pitches), I think I see him as a Jason Marquis/Derek Lowe type pitcher.

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Agreed as well. The kid is going to be solid, but not Pedro Martinez status.

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lovethatsticky said:

If you want my opinion (which you probably don't), I think it's a pretty dumb comparison.

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lordsepic said:

lovethatsticky said:

If you want my opinion (which you probably don't), I think it's a pretty dumb comparison.

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Why? Elaborate and let us hear why it is dumb...

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lovethatsticky said:

lordsepic said:

lovethatsticky said:

If you want my opinion (which you probably don't), I think it's a pretty dumb comparison.

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Why? Elaborate and let us hear why it is dumb...

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Porcello has more riding on his back than Carmona, I feel. Porcello came up at a much younger age, as a greater prospect than Carmona. You can't compare them just because of the wins that they had and strike outs, I'm sure that there are a hand ful of pitchers that fall into 14 wins and that strike out ratio.
Porcello is curve, slider, change up and fastball-
while Carmona relies mostly on a sinker, like Chien-Ming **** to get his batters out.
Carmona is over half a decade older than Porcello at 26, and he was much older than Porcello when he pitched his first and second seasons.
I think Porcello is far better, and will be the Tigers #2 man next year.

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lovethatsticky said:

Porcello came up at a much younger age, as a greater prospect than Carmona.23 versus 20, Carmona came up from the Domincan though.

Porcello is curve, slider, change up and fastball-
while Carmona relies mostly on a sinker, like Chien-Ming **** to get his batters out.Not true, Porcello relies on a sinker for almost 80% of his pitches.

Carmona is over half a decade older than Porcello at 26, and he was much older than Porcello when he pitched his first and second seasons.I'm not comparing them now, but rather a trend between two young, hard throwing sinkerballers(Carmona's is faster btw).

I think Porcello is far better, and will be the Tigers #2 man next year.Agreed, this goes without saying.

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natsprospects26 said:

lovethatsticky said:

Porcello came up at a much younger age, as a greater prospect than Carmona.23 versus 20, Carmona came up from the Domincan though.

Porcello is curve, slider, change up and fastball-
while Carmona relies mostly on a sinker, like Chien-Ming **** to get his batters out.Not true, Porcello relies on a sinker for almost 80% of his pitches.

Carmona is over half a decade older than Porcello at 26, and he was much older than Porcello when he pitched his first and second seasons.I'm not comparing them now, but rather a trend between two young, hard throwing sinkerballers(Carmona's is faster btw).

I think Porcello is far better, and will be the Tigers #2 man next year.Agreed, this goes without saying.

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I think you are focusing more on the bad side of Carmona, which isn't really what I was getting at. I think Porcello could just as easily have a year like Carmona's 2007 in 2010.

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natsprospects26 said:

Both burst onto the scene with pretty excellent seasons(Carmona's 2007). Porcello faltered a bit, but it was to be expected as a 20 year old. These two pitchers have a lot of similarities. Each relies heavily on a sinker to induce high ground ball rates. They had similar strikeout rates, Porcello at 4.69/9 and Carmona at 5.73/9 in '07.

I'm not saying Porcello is doomed for a collapse. Hitters tended to lay off Carmona's sinker(walk rate jumped from 2.5/9 to 5.2/9). But there are a lot of similarities here that are hard to ignore.

How does everyone feel about Porcello's outlook for the future as we enter the new year/season?

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ballerskrip said:

What are all of the similarities that you are talking about? That they are both right handed and throw a sinker?

There is alot more that goes into each of these guys, and I would say they have more differences than similarities.

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