Anyone else going to be upset if Topps Sterling has "relics"

brouthercard · Jan 14, 2010

Ugh, so Topps customer service has openly admitted that their products have some stadium relics as well as mostly bat card for Babe Ruth.

I'm pretty po'd about this proliferation of HOF legend "relics", at least it will help maintain the value of the Babe's older, "legit" game used pieces.

This WILL make me think twice about purcahsing topps sterling this year- will it change anyone else's decision?

They still won't say what the source or provenance is for the other players "relics" such as Cobb, Foxx, etc. etc.

What a downer- these game used used to be special, now they are killing them as the pseudo 1/1 (see topps milestones) really hurt the true 1/1 market.

Labratt21 · Jan 14, 2010

I'm not going to be upset at all because I'm not buying any. Caveat emptor for those that are

THECARDFATHER · Jan 14, 2010

brouthercard said:
Ugh, so Topps customer service has openly admitted that their products have some stadium relics as well as mostly bat card for Babe Ruth.

I'm pretty po'd about this proliferation of HOF legend "relics", at least it will help maintain the value of the Babe's older, "legit" game used pieces.

This WILL make me think twice about purcahsing topps sterling this year- will it change anyone else's decision?

They still won't say what the source or provenance is for the other players "relics" such as Cobb, Foxx, etc. etc.

What a downer- these game used used to be special, now they are killing them as the pseudo 1/1 (see topps milestones) really hurt the true 1/1 market.

Can you give an example of the "relic" that you refer to that isnt Game Used Jersey?

Labratt21 · Jan 14, 2010

THECARDFATHER said:
Can you give an example of the "relic" that you refer to that isnt Game Used Jersey?

Some of the "relics" coming out of Tribute (not sure about triple threads) are things like pieces of wood from stadium seats and things of that nature. The piece of wood may or may not be bat.

Bob Loblaw · Jan 14, 2010

THECARDFATHER said:
brouthercard said:

Ugh, so Topps customer service has openly admitted that their products have some stadium relics as well as mostly bat card for Babe Ruth.

I'm pretty po'd about this proliferation of HOF legend "relics", at least it will help maintain the value of the Babe's older, "legit" game used pieces.

This WILL make me think twice about purcahsing topps sterling this year- will it change anyone else's decision?

They still won't say what the source or provenance is for the other players "relics" such as Cobb, Foxx, etc. etc.

What a downer- these game used used to be special, now they are killing them as the pseudo 1/1 (see topps milestones) really hurt the true 1/1 market.

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Can you give an example of the "relic" that you refer to that isnt Game Used Jersey?

Stadium seats, dugout benches, walls, etc...

brouthercard · Jan 14, 2010

Labratt21 said:
THECARDFATHER said:

Can you give an example of the "relic" that you refer to that isnt Game Used Jersey?

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Some of the "relics" coming out of Tribute (not sure about triple threads) are things like pieces of wood from stadium seats and things of that nature. The piece of wood may or may not be bat.

Also, some triple threads cards contained some Mantle "relics" that may not have been game used in the past, like a shirt worn by Mantle, but not in his actual game used jersey.

js0000001 · Jan 14, 2010

The COA of the back of the cards seem deliberately misleading (obfuscation)

Labratt21 · Jan 14, 2010

brouthercard said:
Labratt21 said:

THECARDFATHER said:

Can you give an example of the "relic" that you refer to that isnt Game Used Jersey?

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Some of the "relics" coming out of Tribute (not sure about triple threads) are things like pieces of wood from stadium seats and things of that nature. The piece of wood may or may not be bat.

Click to expand...

Also, some triple threads cards contained some Mantle "relics" that may not have been game used in the past, like a shirt worn by Mantle, but not in his actual game used jersey.

forgot about those. Yes, there were many Mantle jerseys that looked super new along with some event worn shirts and such.

cgilmo · Jan 14, 2010

I have heard through an undisclosed source that the Ruth pieces this year are from a coaches bat.

js0000001 · Jan 14, 2010

cgilmo said:
I have heard through an undisclosed source that the Ruth pieces this year are from a coaches bat.

all of them? or some?

They should just say GU bench and it would be fine

smapdi · Jan 14, 2010

brouthercard said:
Labratt21 said:

THECARDFATHER said:

Can you give an example of the "relic" that you refer to that isnt Game Used Jersey?

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Some of the "relics" coming out of Tribute (not sure about triple threads) are things like pieces of wood from stadium seats and things of that nature. The piece of wood may or may not be bat.

Click to expand...

Also, some triple threads cards contained some Mantle "relics" that may not have been game used in the past, like a shirt worn by Mantle, but not in his actual game used jersey.

What are you talking about? Don't you remember "Flower Power Day" in New York when the Yankees wore paisley unis?

Yeah, I'm glad this is finally coming out. I really want one of those jumbo Sisler/Speaker "bat" cards, but since they only say "relic" and not "bat" I am "extremely dubious" so I "won't be buying any." Why can't they just be up front about it? Well, there are obvious reasons, but still, they should be above-board all the way.

pujolsthomefan33 · Jan 14, 2010

Any statement referring to a Jersey or a bat as an "Authentic EVENT Used Memorabilia or Item" is something I am 100% NOT GOING TO TOUCH!!!

TK

Philip J. Fry · Jan 14, 2010

Here's an article online I found earlier today about them:

http://www.newcardsmell.com/wordpress/?p=2042

“Thank you for the inquiry, please be advised these cards say memorabilia on them and a small amount do include stadium relics. The majority of the items however, do include bat relics. We apologize for any confusion regarding this issue and thank you for your continued support of Topps.”

francisjniskey · Jan 14, 2010

And yet they still don't disclose who these Bat "Relics" come from. Are they from the actual players on the cards or random bats they purchased at a department store. Would love to hear what they say about the Jersey "Relics" on the cards and where they came from. Those obviously aren't Ruth Jersey pieces. All I can say to Topps is "Son, I am disappoint" Looks like I scratch them off my list of reputable card companies and they can now join Upperdeck because of it's redemption replacement policy.

Sooner or later this will get back to people who are paying outrageous amounts of money on these pieces and the bottom will fall out on the value of these cards leaving the collector with a bad taste in their mouths over Topps products.

Philip J. Fry said:
Here's an article online I found earlier today about them:

http://www.newcardsmell.com/wordpress/?p=2042

“Thank you for the inquiry, please be advised these cards say memorabilia on them and a small amount do include stadium relics. The majority of the items however, do include bat relics. We apologize for any confusion regarding this issue and thank you for your continued support of Topps.”

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sneekc · Jan 14, 2010

Who cares! Babe's ass probably sat on the seat! That would make it touched by the man himself :lol:

francisjniskey · Jan 14, 2010

I would for one if I spent $400 or $500 on a card thinking it was a Authentic Bat or Jersey piece and found out later that it was a piece of wood from the stadium after they tore it down. When you buy something like that you are paying for the prominence of knowing that they player used that item or wore that item in a game. It makes it more personal which is what you are paying for when you buy it. Luckily I saw the writing on the wall on this one or should i say the writing on the back of the card. I'll just stick to buying my older Donruss, Topps, and Upperdeck Game Used cards that state the items are that specific players game used items.

Found these two articles, Not sure how old they are:

http://espn.go.com/sportsbusiness/s/200 ... 79655.html

http://espn.go.com/sportsbusiness/s/200 ... 80511.html

sneekc said:
Who cares! Babe's ass probably sat on the seat! That would make it touched by the man himself :lol:

justinmandawg · Jan 14, 2010

smapdi said:
brouthercard said:

Labratt21 said:

THECARDFATHER said:

Can you give an example of the "relic" that you refer to that isnt Game Used Jersey?

Click to expand...

Some of the "relics" coming out of Tribute (not sure about triple threads) are things like pieces of wood from stadium seats and things of that nature. The piece of wood may or may not be bat.

Click to expand...

Also, some triple threads cards contained some Mantle "relics" that may not have been game used in the past, like a shirt worn by Mantle, but not in his actual game used jersey.

Click to expand...

What are you talking about? Don't you remember "Flower Power Day" in New York when the Yankees wore paisley unis?

Yeah, I'm glad this is finally coming out. I really want one of those jumbo Sisler/Speaker "bat" cards, but since they only say "relic" and not "bat" I am "extremely dubious" so I "won't be buying any." Why can't they just be up front about it? Well, there are obvious reasons, but still, they should be above-board all the way.

"Why are you quoting yourself while you are writing?" ""won't be buying any.""?

mwheeler27 · Jan 14, 2010

Here are some nice bat piece examples from a company everybody can trust:

Notice how clear the wording is on the back:

sneekc · Jan 17, 2010

mwheeler27 said:
Here are some nice bat piece examples from a company everybody can trust:

Sportkings can be trusted?!?! That is the funniest thing I have heard in a decade! Who cares what the wording says, I will never trust SK and the "game used" items they say are used. There was huge controversy regarding several cards and the patches featured in that set and they also make ITG hockey if Im not mistaken. ITG is packed full of supposed game used items.

Mr.Whipple · Jan 17, 2010

sneekc said:
mwheeler27 said:

Here are some nice bat piece examples from a company everybody can trust:

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Sportkings can be trusted?!?! That is the funniest thing I have heard in a decade! Who cares what the wording says, I will never trust SK and the "game used" items they say are used. There was huge controversy regarding several cards and the patches featured in that set and they also make ITG hockey if Im not mistaken. ITG is packed full of supposed game used items.

So companies who admit to counterfitting cards and tell employes to lie about it. Make cards with forged signatures.. Lie about production of cards and lose 6 figures in court over it.. Back door high end singles and such, Is the sign of trust?

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