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Baseball America's Collegiate All Decade Team
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brianga26
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let me kick off the debate by saying. .Khalil Greene was not a better shortstop than Gordon Beckham was. Other than the fact he played till his senior year.. MAYBE that would put him ahead..
any thoughts??
any thoughts??
ballerskrip
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brianga26 said:
You certainly didn't watch Khalil Greene play very much in college then. Khalil was hands down the best player that I played against in college, and that includes about 50 players that are in the big leagues. Gold glove caliber defense at short, excellent average, excellent power for a short stop, college player of the year, etc. Dude was an absolute best and put on a SHOW against us in a three game set at Clemson.
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mredsox89
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The issue with things like this is that you are bound to, even if unintentional, take into account what the player did in the minors/majors. Greene was a complete bust in the majors, Beckham a rising star.
ballerskrip
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Khalil stats
BA - .374
HR - 52
RBI - 276
SB - 55
OBP - 465
Beckham Stats
BA - 332
HR - 53
RBI - 182
SB - 28
OBP - 422
Take them as you will.
skrip
BA - .374
HR - 52
RBI - 276
SB - 55
OBP - 465
Beckham Stats
BA - 332
HR - 53
RBI - 182
SB - 28
OBP - 422
Take them as you will.
skrip
Pretty sweet list. Good to see Rickie Weeks get his due.
MojoDan
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Weeks and Owings both very deserving. Great team.
chompsmcgee
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mredsox89 said:
It's hard to say that someone who has played every year in the Major Leagues since 2003 would be considered a bust. And considering the small sample size with Beckham it's hard to conclude he is going to be that much better in the long run.
Consider this: in Greene's first full major league season he had a .273/.349/.446 triple slash and played excellent defense at the toughest position to play. Beckham's line was .270/.347/.460 and played slightly below average defense at 3B (according to UZR). Beckham had a slightly better ISO and wOBA while playing 36 games less than Greene, however, considering the sample size the numbers aren't that much different.
Unfortunately, that was Greene's best season with the bat so far and his once top tier defense has deteriorated into poor quality. I agree that Beckham is likely a rising star, has more power, and could be a much better player than Greene, but let's be real: he could turn out to be the next Khalil Greene.
Both were unquestionably great collegiate players.
