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Incline Investments said:Probably $120. I assume you're talking Vitters, and I've seen those sell $85-120 or so.
I bought my Gilmore BGS 10 for $35, raws get about $5. Figure 6-10x multiplier for cheap guys, 4-7x for bigger names.
Top 100 prospect, popular player, big market...NECpilgrims8 said:Incline Investments said:Probably $120. I assume you're talking Vitters, and I've seen those sell $85-120 or so.
I bought my Gilmore BGS 10 for $35, raws get about $5. Figure 6-10x multiplier for cheap guys, 4-7x for bigger names.
It really all depends on the player, along with their popularity. The best price to use a multiplier on are the BGS 9.5 copies.
Using a multiplier on raw copies for Pristine grade is too drastic of a difference.
I dont get what your saying...of course there is going to be less 10's of a card that is /150 then compared to a card /1000...what value would you put on it?ballerskrip said:to me it always comes back to the set....
IN sterling every other card is a 9.5, so I don't give as much love to the 10's because there is probably going to be (50-75) 10's out there at some point. It is still a nice card, but let's say it was a blue refractor with (15 9.5's out there), then I would assume the 10 is much tougher to get and would get a much higher multiplier in my eyes...
skrip
dchurg said:I dont get what your saying...of course there is going to be less 10's of a card that is /150 then compared to a card /1000...what value would you put on it?ballerskrip said:to me it always comes back to the set....
IN sterling every other card is a 9.5, so I don't give as much love to the 10's because there is probably going to be (50-75) 10's out there at some point. It is still a nice card, but let's say it was a blue refractor with (15 9.5's out there), then I would assume the 10 is much tougher to get and would get a much higher multiplier in my eyes...
skrip
200lbhockeyplayer said:Only 5 years ago only about 10 BGS 10s existed, now there are thousands.
BGS 9.5 used to be something you hoped for, now it's something you expect.
Grading is completely subjective.
That being said, the difference between a BGS 9.5 and a BGS 10 are often so subtle that if re-graded, I would imagine many (25%) BGS 9.5s could get the (not so) elusive BGS 10. I personally do not consider the difference between a BGS 10 and BGS 9.5 as great as BGS 9.5 to BGS 9.0...yet they both only differ by half a point.
NECpilgrims8 said:200lbhockeyplayer said:Only 5 years ago only about 10 BGS 10s existed, now there are thousands.
BGS 9.5 used to be something you hoped for, now it's something you expect.
Grading is completely subjective.
That being said, the difference between a BGS 9.5 and a BGS 10 are often so subtle that if re-graded, I would imagine many (25%) BGS 9.5s could get the (not so) elusive BGS 10. I personally do not consider the difference between a BGS 10 and BGS 9.5 as great as BGS 9.5 to BGS 9.0...yet they both only differ by half a point.
Your statements are completely over exaggerated.
I don't know if you grade, but to say that 1/4 of the gems would regrade to a BGS 10 is just ridiculous. I am a grader, in mass amounts, and you have no idea how few BGS 10's come out vs. bgs 9.5's (and my orders are MG 9.5).
200lbhockeyplayer said:NECpilgrims8 said:200lbhockeyplayer said:Only 5 years ago only about 10 BGS 10s existed, now there are thousands.
BGS 9.5 used to be something you hoped for, now it's something you expect.
Grading is completely subjective.
That being said, the difference between a BGS 9.5 and a BGS 10 are often so subtle that if re-graded, I would imagine many (25%) BGS 9.5s could get the (not so) elusive BGS 10. I personally do not consider the difference between a BGS 10 and BGS 9.5 as great as BGS 9.5 to BGS 9.0...yet they both only differ by half a point.
Your statements are completely over exaggerated.
I don't know if you grade, but to say that 1/4 of the gems would regrade to a BGS 10 is just ridiculous. I am a grader, in mass amounts, and you have no idea how few BGS 10's come out vs. bgs 9.5's (and my orders are MG 9.5).
BGS is a constantly evolving beast, a beast that has gotten easier to beat than in years past.
Surely you remember when a BGS 9 was a good grade, now it's not even worth slabbing. A BGS 9.5 was rare, and now they are commonplace. Now perhaps I was misleading in stating that 25% of all BGS 9.5s could get bumped to a BGS 10, maybe it's 15%...but in another 5 years, I think 25% or more will probably be dead on correct. And keep in mind, I'm talking about getting something re-graded, not going from raw to BGS 10.
And yes, I do grade, surely not as much as you, but I do enough to know how shady most of this is. And I'm a firm believer that if you're not getting grade bumps, you're not trying hard enough.
masonphillip said:200lbhockeyplayer said:NECpilgrims8 said:200lbhockeyplayer said:Only 5 years ago only about 10 BGS 10s existed, now there are thousands.
BGS 9.5 used to be something you hoped for, now it's something you expect.
Grading is completely subjective.
That being said, the difference between a BGS 9.5 and a BGS 10 are often so subtle that if re-graded, I would imagine many (25%) BGS 9.5s could get the (not so) elusive BGS 10. I personally do not consider the difference between a BGS 10 and BGS 9.5 as great as BGS 9.5 to BGS 9.0...yet they both only differ by half a point.
Your statements are completely over exaggerated.
I don't know if you grade, but to say that 1/4 of the gems would regrade to a BGS 10 is just ridiculous. I am a grader, in mass amounts, and you have no idea how few BGS 10's come out vs. bgs 9.5's (and my orders are MG 9.5).
BGS is a constantly evolving beast, a beast that has gotten easier to beat than in years past.
Surely you remember when a BGS 9 was a good grade, now it's not even worth slabbing. A BGS 9.5 was rare, and now they are commonplace. Now perhaps I was misleading in stating that 25% of all BGS 9.5s could get bumped to a BGS 10, maybe it's 15%...but in another 5 years, I think 25% or more will probably be dead on correct. And keep in mind, I'm talking about getting something re-graded, not going from raw to BGS 10.
And yes, I do grade, surely not as much as you, but I do enough to know how shady most of this is. And I'm a firm believer that if you're not getting grade bumps, you're not trying hard enough.
BGS has gotten easier to "beat" than in years past, more 9.5s and certainly more 10s coming out there is no doubt about it. However, I think the % of 9.5s that would regrade to a 10 is in the single digits, likely, the low single digits.
I've graded roughly 3,000 cards in the past year, my total 10s have been 9, I do believe. So .3% of my raw cards graded out as a BGS 10. Of the 9.5s, of which I hit probably 45% or so, I'd say 1/50 at the most had the subs of 9.5, 9.5, 10, 10, which you could put back in for the bumps.
I know there are a lot more 10s out there, but there are also a lot more graders out there, so that makes those very very small %s seem so much bigger. If anything I've seen more 9.5s with the subs 9.5, 9.5, 9.5, 9 this past year than before.