2 Longo Autos with the Same Serial Number

George_Calfas · Jul 22, 2010

2009 Red Ink Auto, I am the owner of the #03/10. Every Red Ink Auto I own has a "0" before the other non-10 digit. I doubt it left Topps this way since the Ink is a off-shade, imo. I am kinda wondering if someone as made counterfeit autos with the A&G TTM Template? Did someone find a way to wipe off the original serial number?

[ebay:2yjlnc4k]260638192920[/ebay:2yjlnc4k]

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dannyboy19 · Jul 22, 2010

Yikes. Thats not good. Unfortunately it doesn't seem like you can contact the buyer right since eBay protects that now? I wonder if the one on eBay had the Topps sticker on the back (the A&G have that correct). The only thing going for the other Longoria is that the autograph does look authentic...

sdsportsfan1214 · Jul 22, 2010

Ink and Signature look the same so Im guessing Topps made a mistake on this one ::facepalm::

George_Calfas · Jul 22, 2010

dannyboy19 said:
Yikes. Thats not good. Unfortunately it doesn't seem like you can contact the buyer right since eBay protects that now? I wonder if the one on eBay had the Topps sticker on the back (the A&G have that correct). The only thing going for the other Longoria is that the autograph does look authentic...

Yeah, I think it is a good auto, just someone rubber off the original serial number.

joelmcook · Jul 22, 2010

Both of the autos do look very similar I would think it is a mistake on topps end.

vwnut13 · Jul 22, 2010

In 2008 Topps Mayo I saw a Matt Ryan Auto in Red Ink that had no numbering on it at all.

Rickzcards · Jul 22, 2010

Could it be a back-doored replacement card?

George_Calfas · Jul 22, 2010

vwnut13 said:
In 2008 Topps Mayo I saw a Matt Ryan Auto in Red Ink that had no numbering on it at all.

The Only Red Ink Autos I have seen w/o numbering were a few redemption cards. I have never seen an auto with one digit, they have all been 2-digits, ie 01, 02 03, etc.

http://s11.photobucket.com/albums/a184/ ... ?start=all

George_Calfas · Jul 22, 2010

Rickzcards said:
Could it be a back-doored replacement card?

hmm, good thought

maxpower · Jul 22, 2010

Here's the listing for 01/10.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260611452954&category=213

Assuming that the 01/10 is unaltered, I'd venture to say that either or BOTH of the 03/10s could be altered. The "3/10" looks a little bit closer to the numbering style of the 01/10, but you're right... none of the other reds have the leading zero omitted.

They both look a little hinky compared to the 01/10, IMO.

matchpenalty · Jul 22, 2010

George_Calfas said:
dannyboy19 said:

Yikes. Thats not good. Unfortunately it doesn't seem like you can contact the buyer right since eBay protects that now? I wonder if the one on eBay had the Topps sticker on the back (the A&G have that correct). The only thing going for the other Longoria is that the autograph does look authentic...

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Yeah, I think it is a good auto, just someone rubber off the original serial number.

That would be my guess as well. So stupid what someone will do to try and squueze a couple more bucks out of an already great card. Anyone else have any pics saved of any other Longo red ink autos, could figure out what original serial # was by signature

George_Calfas · Jul 23, 2010

matchpenalty said:
George_Calfas said:

dannyboy19 said:

Yikes. Thats not good. Unfortunately it doesn't seem like you can contact the buyer right since eBay protects that now? I wonder if the one on eBay had the Topps sticker on the back (the A&G have that correct). The only thing going for the other Longoria is that the autograph does look authentic...

Click to expand...

Yeah, I think it is a good auto, just someone rubber off the original serial number.

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That would be my guess as well. So stupid what someone will do to try and squueze a couple more bucks out of an already great card. Anyone else have any pics saved of any other Longo red ink autos, could figure out what original serial # was by signature

#04/10 is owned by a FCB member and its serial number "font" is a tad different as well. That is not unusual, many of my doubles in and out of frame have different hand writing on the serial number.

My concern is another 03/10 or 3/10 and the lack of a zero before the 3.

bportjoey · Jul 23, 2010

In my opinion your's is definatly the original one, for instance the handwriting, characters, placement, and size In the one you have match the ones I have to a T.

the one on ebay is missing the 0 unlike every other numbered auto 10+ from A&G, the font is much bigger and the slash if way more angled and longer then ours, in fact just look at my autos and you'll get what Im mean instantly compared to the one on ebay

questioned---->

<---Yours][Mine--->

maxpower · Jul 23, 2010

bportjoey said:
In my opinion your's is definatly the original one, for instance the handwriting, characters, placement, and size In the one you have match the ones I have to a T.

the one on ebay is missing the 0 unlike every other numbered auto 10+ from A&G, the font is much bigger and the slash if way more angled and longer then ours, in fact just look at my autos and you'll get what Im mean instantly compared to the one on ebay

questioned----><---Yours][Mine--->

Wow, that 02/10 presents a very strong case for the validity of your "03/10".

I am curious about the 01/10... why is the numbering so different? I assume anyone who went so far as to alter the card would just change it to "03/10"...

Did someone at Topps number the first one, then leave and someone else numbered the next few? I mean, I could see how the numbering might differ from one player to another, but I'd think they'd be consistent within the 10 for any particular player.

So strange.

bportjoey · Jul 23, 2010

maxpower said:
bportjoey said:

In my opinion your's is definatly the original one, for instance the handwriting, characters, placement, and size In the one you have match the ones I have to a T.

the one on ebay is missing the 0 unlike every other numbered auto 10+ from A&G, the font is much bigger and the slash if way more angled and longer then ours, in fact just look at my autos and you'll get what Im mean instantly compared to the one on ebay

questioned----><---Yours][Mine--->

Click to expand...

Wow, that 02/10 presents a very strong case for the validity of your "03/10".

I am curious about the 01/10... why is the numbering so different? I assume anyone who went so far as to alter the card would just change it to "03/10"...

Did someone at Topps number the first one, then leave and someone else numbered the next few? I mean, I could see how the numbering might differ from one player to another, but I'd think they'd be consistent within the 10 for any particular player.

So strange.

I think it was sent out w/o being numbered and someone put his jersey number to make an extra buck as someone els has stated above

I think it would carry a premium not being numbered as that is more unique

maxpower · Jul 23, 2010

bportjoey said:
maxpower said:

bportjoey said:

In my opinion your's is definatly the original one, for instance the handwriting, characters, placement, and size In the one you have match the ones I have to a T.

the one on ebay is missing the 0 unlike every other numbered auto 10+ from A&G, the font is much bigger and the slash if way more angled and longer then ours, in fact just look at my autos and you'll get what Im mean instantly compared to the one on ebay

questioned----><---Yours][Mine--->

Click to expand...

Wow, that 02/10 presents a very strong case for the validity of your "03/10".

I am curious about the 01/10... why is the numbering so different? I assume anyone who went so far as to alter the card would just change it to "03/10"...

Did someone at Topps number the first one, then leave and someone else numbered the next few? I mean, I could see how the numbering might differ from one player to another, but I'd think they'd be consistent within the 10 for any particular player.

So strange.

Click to expand...

I think it was sent out w/o being numbered and someone put his jersey number to make an extra buck as someone els has stated above

I think it would carry a premium not being numbered as that is more unique

Sorry, when I said 'first one' I meant the "01/10" listed in this auction:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260611452954&category=213

The numbering style is so different. Also, George mentioned that the numbering style on the 04/10 is also different. So did worker A hand number 01/10, then go off to lunch and during that lunch worker B took an hour to hand number 02/10 and 03/10, then worker A came back from lunch and hand numbered 04/10? I'd think that someone would just sit down with the stack of Longoria reds and hand number all ten cards in one sitting.

Not an important question... just think it's bizarre.

bportjoey · Jul 23, 2010

maxpower said:
bportjoey said:

maxpower said:

bportjoey said:

In my opinion your's is definatly the original one, for instance the handwriting, characters, placement, and size In the one you have match the ones I have to a T.

the one on ebay is missing the 0 unlike every other numbered auto 10+ from A&G, the font is much bigger and the slash if way more angled and longer then ours, in fact just look at my autos and you'll get what Im mean instantly compared to the one on ebay

questioned----><---Yours][Mine--->

Click to expand...

Wow, that 02/10 presents a very strong case for the validity of your "03/10".

I am curious about the 01/10... why is the numbering so different? I assume anyone who went so far as to alter the card would just change it to "03/10"...

Did someone at Topps number the first one, then leave and someone else numbered the next few? I mean, I could see how the numbering might differ from one player to another, but I'd think they'd be consistent within the 10 for any particular player.

So strange.

Click to expand...

I think it was sent out w/o being numbered and someone put his jersey number to make an extra buck as someone els has stated above

I think it would carry a premium not being numbered as that is more unique

Click to expand...

Sorry, when I said 'first one' I meant the "01/10" listed in this auction:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260611452954&category=213

The numbering style is so different. Also, George mentioned that the numbering style on the 04/10 is also different. So did worker A hand number 01/10, then go off to lunch and during that lunch worker B took an hour to hand number 02/10 and 03/10, then worker A came back from lunch and hand numbered 04/10? I'd think that someone would just sit down with the stack of Longoria reds and hand number all ten cards in one sitting.

Not an important question... just think it's bizarre.

well the 01/10 font kinda match the question able 3/10 on ebay...maybe some back ally shadyness is going on at topps...or not

bojacksoncollector · Jul 23, 2010

I agree with bportjoey "I think it was sent out w/o being numbered (redemption card?) and someone put his jersey number to make an extra buck..."

I've seen the same thing in the past with Bo Jackson cards... a card was sent/pulled without a serial number and someone added the hand-written serial number to try to get a few extra bucks. It's sad, but it may backfire on the seller if the true Longo collectors don't bid, or don't bid high. In the case of Bo, all the Bo colectors knew it was fake and didn't bid and the card sold dirt cheap.

G $MONEY$ · Jul 23, 2010

bportjoey said:
well the 01/10 font kinda match the question able 3/10 on ebay...maybe some back ally shadyness is going on at topps...or not

not to mention the same seller has sold both of them....

3/10
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 0638192920

01/10
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... tegory=213

bportjoey · Jul 23, 2010

G $MONEY$ said:
bportjoey said:

well the 01/10 font kinda match the question able 3/10 on ebay...maybe some back ally shadyness is going on at topps...or not

Click to expand...

not to mention the same seller has sold both of them....

3/10
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 0638192920

01/10
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... tegory=213

ya that adds to the shadiness

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