Pujols and the Triple Crown

Mozzie22 · Aug 21, 2010

I was just cruising ESPN's site and hadn't realized he was first in RBI, first in HR's, and only .004 points behind in average. I think he's got a real shot this year.

Exposfan · Aug 21, 2010

The reason I keep hearing he won't win it is because in a few weeks when the races really heat up, teams will start pitching around him or walking him thereby decreasing his Hr and Rbi chances. Not that suprising he has a shot at it though.

blitzerlover · Aug 21, 2010

Good thing he's having a down year......

ThoseBackPages · Aug 21, 2010

blitzerlover said:
Good thing he's having a down year......

You aint kidding. Imagine if he was having a "typical" year?

blitzerlover · Aug 21, 2010

ThoseBackPages said:
blitzerlover said:

Good thing he's having a down year......

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You aint kidding. Imagine if he was having a "typical" year?

It just shows how great Pujols really is.

ethanbryer · Aug 21, 2010

blitzerlover said:
Good thing he's having a down year......

:lol:

UMich92 · Aug 21, 2010

Assume he wins the Triple Crown. What do his Bowman Chrome and SPx autos go for?

ThoseBackPages · Aug 21, 2010

UMich92 said:
Assume he wins the Triple Crown. What do his Bowman Chrome and SPx autos go for?

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leatherman · Aug 21, 2010

ThoseBackPages said:
UMich92 said:

Assume he wins the Triple Crown. What do his Bowman Chrome and SPx autos go for?

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I laughed twice at this.

Topnotchsy · Aug 21, 2010

I posted this a few days ago in another post (numbers are no longer exact.)

Topnotchsy said:
It's been a "down year" by Pujols standards, but because stats in the NL has been somewhat down across the board, he's actually only a single homer, and a few batting average points away from the Triple Crown. Pretty crazy how he could win it, and it's been such a quiet season by his standards.

Just an interesting tidbit, if you take the leaders in the 3 categories considered for the Triple Crown and (using ESPN) extrapolate those numbers to a full season you'd come out with .322 (Votto) 43 homers (Dunn) and 120 RBI (Pujols.)

Pujols's stats from 2003, 2004, 2006 and 2009 would have won him the triple crown had he put those numbers up this season. In 2005 he would have been 2 homers and 3 RBI off. Crazy!!

Pine Tar · Aug 22, 2010

Exposfan said:
The reason I keep hearing he won't win it is because in a few weeks when the races really heat up, teams will start pitching around him or walking him thereby decreasing his Hr and Rbi chances. Not that suprising he has a shot at it though.

In a few weeks when the cards with be 6 1/2 back and not a factor in the wild card even, then they will be pitching to him. But he will not be hitting much either by then.

bongo870 · Aug 22, 2010

in the past 4 years Howard always got ahead of Pujols on HR's and RBI's. Howard was out for a long time there and that allowed pujols to jump up. But Howard is back and already had another RBI and was so close to another HR.

2006 Howard first in HR's.... Pujols second
2006 Howard first in RBI's... Pujols second

2007 Howard HR's second... Pujols 10th
2007 Howard RBI's second ... Pujols 12th

2008 Howard hr's first... Pujols 4th
2008 Howard rbi's first... Pujols 4th

2009 Howard hr's 3rd... Pujols 1st (got Howard there)
2009 Howard rbi's 2nd....Pujols 3rd

But like i said Pujols saw the oportunity to pull ahead when howard got hurt. So i feel it is going to be close!
Also Votto is floating around there too for tripple crown!

markakis8 · Aug 22, 2010

another thing to worry about is Omar Infante...I'm not sure how many PA he needs to be involved in the batting crown race but he's playing every day now and hitting .340ish

leatherman · Aug 22, 2010

markakis8 said:
another thing to worry about is Omar Infante...I'm not sure how many PA he needs to be involved in the batting crown race but he's playing every day now and hitting .340ish

He currently has 327 PAs, and needs 502 (assuming the Braves play all 162 games) in the next 39 games, which equates to 4.5 PAs per game if he plays in all of them. It's a stretch, but he could get there.

Also, there is the "hitless At Bats" factor that could get Infante the batting title even if he doesn't reach 502 Plate Appearances. If he only gets to 482 and still has a 20 point lead, he could still win the batting title. Let's say he continues at his current pace and finishes 153 for 450 (with an additional 32 plate appearances from walks, HBP, SH, and SF), for a .340 batting average. He only needs 20 more PAs to qualify, so his batting average for ranking him in the NL would be .326 (153 hits into 470, which includes 20 hitless ABs).

Tony Gwynn won the NL batting title in 1996 this way. He only had 498 PAs and needed 502 to qualify. He batted .353 for the year (159 for 451), but his average used for ranking him was .349 (159 for 455, including the 4 hitless at bats), which was still higher than the 2nd place finisher (Ellis Burks's .344).

If you look at the NL batting leaders today, you will see this:
1. Votto (CIN) .321
2. Gonzalez (COL) .318
3. Prado (ATL) .318
4. Pujols (STL) .316
5. Polanco (PHI) .315
6. Tulowitzki (COL) **.318
7. Zimmerman (WSN) .303
8. Byrd (CHC) .303
9. Holliday (STL) .302
10. Castro (CHC) **.309

Tulowitzki's and Castro's batting averages are listed as their actual batting averages, but they are ranked by first applying hitless ABs to their numbers (which is why they have the double asterisk next to their BA) because they don't have enough plate appearances. That's why Tulo isn't ahead of Pujols and Polanco in the rankings, even though his average is higher. In case you are wondering, Infante's current BA using this method is .292 (54 hitless ABs).

markakis8 · Aug 22, 2010

leatherman said:
markakis8 said:

another thing to worry about is Omar Infante...I'm not sure how many PA he needs to be involved in the batting crown race but he's playing every day now and hitting .340ish

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He currently has 327 PAs, and needs 502 (assuming the Braves play all 162 games) in the next 39 games, which equates to 4.5 PAs per game if he plays in all of them. It's a stretch, but he could get there.

Also, there is the "hitless At Bats" factor that could get Infante the batting title even if he doesn't reach 502 Plate Appearances. If he only gets to 482 and still has a 20 point lead, he could still win the batting title. Let's say he continues at his current pace and finishes 153 for 450 (with an additional 32 plate appearances from walks, HBP, SH, and SF), for a .340 batting average. He only needs 20 more PAs to qualify, so his batting average for ranking him in the NL would be .326 (153 hits into 470, which includes 20 hitless ABs).

Tony Gwynn won the NL batting title in 1996 this way. He only had 498 PAs and needed 502 to qualify. He batted .353 for the year (159 for 451), but his average used for ranking him was .349 (159 for 455, including the 4 hitless at bats), which was still higher than the 2nd place finisher (Ellis Burks's .344).

If you look at the NL batting leaders today, you will see this:
1. Votto (CIN) .321
2. Gonzalez (COL) .318
3. Prado (ATL) .318
4. Pujols (STL) .316
5. Polanco (PHI) .315
6. Tulowitzki (COL) **.318
7. Zimmerman (WSN) .303
8. Byrd (CHC) .303
9. Holliday (STL) .302
10. Castro (CHC) **.309

Tulowitzki's and Castro's batting averages are listed as their actual batting averages, but they are ranked by first applying hitless ABs to their numbers (which is why they have the double asterisk next to their BA) because they don't have enough plate appearances. That's why Tulo isn't ahead of Pujols and Polanco in the rankings, even though his average is higher. In case you are wondering, Infante's current BA using this method is .292 (54 hitless ABs).

I knew you'd come into the picture eventually. Thanks for all that info

And if Infante does indeed play every game the rest of the year. 4.5 PA per game is very possible if he bats leadoff like he has been.

Of course, keeping the .343 average is another story....

markakis8 · Aug 24, 2010

Infante goes 6 for 11 in the past 2 games (5.5 PA/g) to raise his AVG to .350 :shock:

soccerman034 · Aug 24, 2010

bongo870 said:
in the past 4 years Howard always got ahead of Pujols on HR's and RBI's. Howard was out for a long time there and that allowed pujols to jump up. But Howard is back and already had another RBI and was so close to another HR.

2006 Howard first in HR's.... Pujols second
2006 Howard first in RBI's... Pujols second

2007 Howard HR's second... Pujols 10th
2007 Howard RBI's second ... Pujols 12th

2008 Howard hr's first... Pujols 4th
2008 Howard rbi's first... Pujols 4th

2009 Howard hr's 3rd... Pujols 1st (got Howard there)
2009 Howard rbi's 2nd....Pujols 3rd

But like i said Pujols saw the oportunity to pull ahead when howard got hurt. So i feel it is going to be close!
Also Votto is floating around there too for tripple crown!

2006 OBP:
Pujols: 2nd (.431)
Howard: 5th (.425)

2006 Slugging %:
Pujols: 1st (.671)
Howard: 2nd (.659)

2007 OBP:
Pujols: 3rd (.429)
Howard: Not Ranked (.392)

2007 Slugging %:
Pujols: 6th (.568)
Howard: 5th (.584)
(Got him there....Too bad Pujols OPS is still better)

2008 OBP:
Pujols: 2nd (.462)
Howard: Not Ranked (.339)
(OWNED)

2008 Slugging %:
Pujols: 1st (.653)
Howard: 7th (.543)
(OWNED)

2009 OBP:
Pujols: 1st (.443)
Howard: Not Ranked (.360)

2009 Slugging %:
Pujols: 1st (.658)
Howard: 4th (.571)

2010 OBP:
Pujols: 2nd (.411)
Howard: Not Ranked (.354)

2010 Slugging %:
Pujols: 1st (.592)
Howard: 9th (.523)

Ya, Howard is way better.

bongo870 · Aug 24, 2010

soccerman034 said:
bongo870 said:

in the past 4 years Howard always got ahead of Pujols on HR's and RBI's. Howard was out for a long time there and that allowed pujols to jump up. But Howard is back and already had another RBI and was so close to another HR.

2006 Howard first in HR's.... Pujols second
2006 Howard first in RBI's... Pujols second

2007 Howard HR's second... Pujols 10th
2007 Howard RBI's second ... Pujols 12th

2008 Howard hr's first... Pujols 4th
2008 Howard rbi's first... Pujols 4th

2009 Howard hr's 3rd... Pujols 1st (got Howard there)
2009 Howard rbi's 2nd....Pujols 3rd

But like i said Pujols saw the oportunity to pull ahead when howard got hurt. So i feel it is going to be close!
Also Votto is floating around there too for tripple crown!

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2006 OBP:
Pujols: 2nd (.431)
Howard: 5th (.425)

2006 Slugging %:
Pujols: 1st (.671)
Howard: 2nd (.659)

2007 OBP:
Pujols: 3rd (.429)
Howard: Not Ranked (.392)

2007 Slugging %:
Pujols: 6th (.568)
Howard: 5th (.584)
(Got him there....Too bad Pujols OPS is still better)

2008 OBP:
Pujols: 2nd (.462)
Howard: Not Ranked (.339)
(OWNED)

2008 Slugging %:
Pujols: 1st (.653)
Howard: 7th (.543)
(OWNED)

2009 OBP:
Pujols: 1st (.443)
Howard: Not Ranked (.360)

2009 Slugging %:
Pujols: 1st (.658)
Howard: 4th (.571)

2010 OBP:
Pujols: 2nd (.411)
Howard: Not Ranked (.354)

2010 Slugging %:
Pujols: 1st (.592)
Howard: 9th (.523)

Ya, Howard is way better.

See it is things like this that makes me wonder about this site.
Do you guys just make stuff up to fight? When did I say Howard was better?
This thread is about triple crown is it not? Then we are only talking about the 3 categories that count in the triple crown correct?
So why do you have to post this? Just to fight? Show me where I said Howard is better than Pujols? What does all that you posted have to do with the triple crown??????????
Wow you guys just love to find anything to fight about here don't you...

RL24 · Aug 24, 2010

I'm pretty sure his post was inspired by the way you pick the stats that suit your needs, while ignoring other little things like reality.

:lol:

I would like to see a #/rank comparison between Pujols and Howard in my favorite category, strike outs...

markakis8 · Aug 24, 2010

RL24 said:
I'm pretty sure his post was inspired by the way you pick the stats that suit your needs, while ignoring other little things like reality.

:lol:

I would like to see a #/rank comparison between Pujols and Howard in my favorite category, strike outs...

again to point out, this thread is about triple crown...so strikeouts, OBP, SLG, and any other category that does not have to do with the triple crown...is irrelevant

he wasn't even claiming howard was better than pujols...you must have him confused with another howard lover on here.

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