Accusations from fellow FCBer. Need help and opinions. THX

LazerShow15 · Aug 24, 2010

I recently sold a fellow collector on FCB, (3) Jesus Montero Autograph Bowman Chrome RC's, and (1) Blue Refractor Jesus Montero Autograph Bowman Chrome RC. Buyer pays through Paypal, I send out the same day, he receives the cards and now is accusing me of trimming the blue refractor.

This is where I get upset.....

All of these cards were Topps Redemptions with me being the only owner as these were redeemed and went into my personal collection until last week. I have proof of the cards and redemptions that were directly from Topps. Is the buyer wanting out because the Blue refractor is not 50/50 centing, more like 40/60, but yet he wants to keep the regular bowman chrome autographs which are dead center front and back and possible 9.5 and/or 10's.

Any opinions would be great. Thank you.

jbhofmann · Aug 24, 2010

Refund him for the Blue, he sends it back, move on.

phillyfan0417 · Aug 24, 2010

If this is a case of buyers remorse, why would you refund? What proof does he have that the card was trimmed? Did you make any claims on condition?

This is becoming a trend on here with RAW cards and I'd like to know the details.

blazers091 · Aug 24, 2010

sounds like a case of buyers remorse. dont issue a refund as he should of asked for better scans before he bought it.

bowmanchromeandorr · Aug 24, 2010

blazers091 said:
sounds like a case of buyers remorse. dont issue a refund as he should of asked for better scans before he bought it.

ditto

schmidtfan20 · Aug 24, 2010

Did he want you to include money to get the cards graded for free also? Did he get scans?
If a buyer is anal about condition he should of asked for scans.

Kevin

matchpenalty · Aug 24, 2010

Tell him to buy graded. Get all your cards back and then refund. Sounds like a cherry picker.

A_Pharis · Aug 24, 2010

Tell him all or nothing.

boomo · Aug 24, 2010

how soon before the 48 hours mystery episode shows up where
one collector murders another over a dispute about condition, or fakes,
or trimming. it is just getting all so silly.

alifaxwa2 · Aug 24, 2010

A_Pharis said:
Tell him all or nothing.

Agreed

cgilmo · Aug 24, 2010

Who is the deal with?

You can PM if you like.

nosterbor · Aug 24, 2010

alifaxwa2 said:
A_Pharis said:

Tell him all or nothing.

Click to expand...

Agreed

DITTO!

jbhofmann · Aug 24, 2010

Were scans provided?

LazerShow15 · Aug 24, 2010

Scans were provided then taken down after the sale. So yes. I will post the scans on this thread. And I forgot it was for 3 regulars and 1 blue refractor.

cgilmo · Aug 24, 2010

if a card is visibly off center, it probably wasn't trimmed

if what you say is how it went down, then the buyer needs to own up keep the card.

LazerShow15 · Aug 24, 2010

Exactly how it went down. I have no reason to play games, I don't have time for that, I only have time for being in this insane hobby.

phillyfan0417 · Aug 24, 2010

cgilmo said:
if a card is visibly off center, it probably wasn't trimmed

if what you say is how it went down, then the buyer needs to own up keep the card.

Agreed. I've had quite a few folks send me PM's talking about how they want their money back because the card is not gradable and my answer is always that you bought a raw card. The only exception is if the seller states the condition.

matfanofold · Aug 24, 2010

It would be nice to hear the other side of this delima before judgment is thrown about. I know you say it was not trimmed, but at this point it's just your word against his. Not saying your lying, but it's not impossible because you say so. Hopefully the member will come here and share his point of view, and contribute to the discussion. I'd like to hear his side of things to see if it is indeed a valid claim, or just buyers remorse. If it's just buyers remorse and no validity can be shown to support his claim(s), then a refund would no be made by me. However, if his claim(s) do have validity(meaning he can actually show reasonable proof that the card was trimmed) then he should be refunded and the card returned.

And again, I know your going to chime in and state you, and you alone, have had the card and did not trim it. I understand your side, but it just can not be taken as absolute proof. I would like to hear the other side first, see if any validity to his claim exists.

jbhofmann · Aug 24, 2010

I change my view:
If good scans were given I would say that he needs to honor his end of the deal.

LazerShow15 · Aug 24, 2010

matfanofold said:
It would be nice to hear the other side of this delima before judgment is thrown about. I know you say it was not trimmed, but at this point it's just your word against his. Not saying your lying, but it's not impossible because you say so. Hopefully the meeber will come here and share his point of view, and contribute to the discussion. I'd like to hear his side of things to see if it is indeed a valid claim, or just buyers remorse. If it's just buyers remorse and no validity can be shown to support his claim(s), then a refund would no be made by me. However, if his claim(s) do have validity(meaning he can actually show reasonable proof that the card was trimmed) then he should be refunded and the card returned.

And again, I know your going to chime in and state you, and you alone, have had the card and did not trim it. I understand your side, but it just can not be taken as absolute proof. I would like to hear the other side first, see if any validity to his claim exists.

Oh I completely understand, but of course I want him to state his side of the issue because it will show that it is not valid. I have a call into Topps already on this issue. Like others have said, why would anyone trim a bowman chrome card of this value. Secondly when it is off center already.

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