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who SHOULD be in the HOF: Roger Maris
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js0000001 said:
He also batted .260 lifetime. That's at least more than the first guy named.
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That's the reasoning used for McGwire. Besides HRs, there is nothing HOF worthy about his career. Everyone points to 1998 for McGwire, why can't people point to 1961 for Maris?
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Jim Rice
Andre Dawson
Paul Molitor
Gary Carter
Andre Dawson
Paul Molitor
Gary Carter
craftysouthpaw
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By position:
Egregious Inductions
C Rick Ferrell
1B George Kelly
2B Johnny Evers
3B Freddie Lindstrom
SS Joe Tinker
LF Heinie Manush
CF Chick Hafey
RF Harry Hooper
SP Catfish Hunter
And for fun:
Egregious Omissions
C Ted Simmons (it would be Torre but he’s getting in when he retires from managing)
1B Will Clark
2B Bobby Grich
3B Ron Santo
SS Alan Trammell
LF Tim Raines
CF Nobody – Dale Murphy if forced to choose
RF Dwight Evans
SP Bert Blyleven
Egregious Inductions
C Rick Ferrell
1B George Kelly
2B Johnny Evers
3B Freddie Lindstrom
SS Joe Tinker
LF Heinie Manush
CF Chick Hafey
RF Harry Hooper
SP Catfish Hunter
And for fun:
Egregious Omissions
C Ted Simmons (it would be Torre but he’s getting in when he retires from managing)
1B Will Clark
2B Bobby Grich
3B Ron Santo
SS Alan Trammell
LF Tim Raines
CF Nobody – Dale Murphy if forced to choose
RF Dwight Evans
SP Bert Blyleven
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Even though he was a clutch hitter and was part of of some great championship teams, I do not feel Tony Perez is Hall Of fame worthy.
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muskiesfan said:
How about a .394 lifetime on base % (.345 for Maris). And a lifetime OPS+ of 162 (127 for Maris) - good for 12th all time. Not HOF worthy? McGwire was considerably better than Maris.
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craftysouthpaw said:
I'm not comparing the two as players, but McGwire is not a HOFer either. Just pointing out that when making cases for either players, people point to one season for each.
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Huffamaniac
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McGwire did win a gold glove also
craftysouthpaw
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muskiesfan said:
Got it - my fault for mis-interpreting. Although I don't know that people point to just one season for McGwire. The guy hit
49 bombs his rookie year and had 6 years with 40+ (and 2 more with 39). 12th all time in OPS+ and 9th all time is slugging % seems to me like he had plenty of great years.
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Monster Rookie Year. Most HR's by a rookie if I remember right.muskiesfan said:
49 HR's I believe.
So saying.... he's got more than '98 on his side.
*didn't read all the posts before commenting on this. See someone already mentioned it. Oh well.
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js0000001 said:
He was a good pitcher that looked better because of the teams he played on IMO. He wouldn't have had any of those totals (wins, WS rings, AS games) if he didn't play for the A's and Yankees during their dominance during the '70's. I think you could have stuck 30 other non-HOF'ers from that same era in his place and they would have wound up with similar numbers. Career ERA+ of 105 is pretty mediocre. But I agree he probably has the strongest argument of my list.
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craftysouthpaw said:
Got it - my fault for mis-interpreting. Although I don't know that people point to just one season for McGwire. The guy hit
49 bombs his rookie year and had 6 years with 40+ (and 2 more with 39). 12th all time in OPS+ and 9th all time is slugging % seems to me like he had plenty of great years.[/quote:16wh3i7c]
Not saying McGwire was a bad ball player. I don't think he belongs in the HOF. There have been plenty of different HOF discussions on this board and when McGwire gets brought up, there are always people who say he deserves in for 1998 if nothing else. If I really wanted to invest the time, I am sure I could find 20+ posts saying that from members here on FCB.
Again, I'm not saying McGwire was a bad player, not comparing him to Maris, and I'm not saying that he didn't put up some good numbers in a handful of categories. I'm just saying when taking his entire body of work into account, the guy just doesn't seem like a HOFer to me.
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